OFFICIAL: New Dan Mccarthy up thread

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Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:52 pm

don't own a single McCarthy... but, in all seriousness, this is Malleus all over again.
There are other artists that have been mentioned on this forum who have subdued to that 2nd ed. business... what was the term used for reprinting material? Hamptonized?

not trying to create an uproar... but, I would be pissed if I had paid top dollar for the 1st ed., and Dan's fans... chill, or no chill, this is not cool. even if the guy is a father's dream come true, he could be as sweet as Jay Ryan for all it matters... the fact is that this is not 'taking care of his fans'... au contraire. no time? well, just say so on an email... tell them that you will compensate by doing two bonus prints, whatever... you know? his actions (reprinting) can be taken in any direction if not addressed explicitly... if people start speculating about his reasons.

i am not feeling 'entitled' to anything, but as a collector i don't like when this stuff happens... there is no excuse for reprinting stuff, period. if you want to revisit it, change the image as well... make it an homage, not just increase size, and make colors stand out; it is bad for business... his business. if you feel you have honed your skills... make new images... why revisit old ones? seriously? what for? do you think artists get a kick when asked to perform/sing/act out/paint something that was very successful... in reality, (most of them) hate it... they think people appreciate them because of that 'one hit'. but, they do it, because that is one way to keep people coming... until people get fed up as well.

it comes back to 'we as buyers (market) are the one(s) at fault...'

and, I am keeping it civil/I am not mad... just stating the facts.
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Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:55 pm

One of the sadest day I can recall in my collecting years.
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Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:57 pm

All hell will break loose when he releases A/Ps of all the older prints too huh?
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Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:59 pm

gonzo303 wrote:All hell will break loose when he releases A/Ps of all the older prints too huh?
yeah, if he can fix the typos in Carbon Atom and ship me some of the 05's and 06's, that would be pretty sweet
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Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:04 pm

PorkBelly wrote:
rossi1102 wrote:If you're buying all the prints you like you'll find yourself with an empty wallet and a portfolio full of prints. As the months turn into years you start to rationalize the volume of prints by saying that they are an investment, and then you start to look at them that way.
I learned my lesson with this type of thinking with comic books in the early 1990's.

Hopefully, I'm inoculated now.
For your sake I hope so, its a nasty bug.
I will say that the Obama craze helped me realize that the Lost poster series was going to be a flash in the pan, so apparently I've had some immunization from the hobby, not quite enough though.
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Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:05 pm

When one has been collecting a particular artist for years and has been *in* since the early years it is very nice to know that your early support and investment of the artist and his/her work are rewarded both aesthetically, as well as financially.

I fully understand and respect the other side of the argument - that art is meant to be out there in as many hands as possible.

That being said, let's take that a step further - for those saying that they see nothing wrong with the second edition how would you feel if Dan decided to make all of his prints unlimited runs? Would you have still purchased the sub? Would you still buy prints on release day knowing that they will be available forever?

There's nothing wrong if you're in it just for the art but people need to understand that there are other collectors out there who take our art collections very seriously and have to be selective with who to invest in. This 2nd edition release just confirms what I had been thinking about how Dan's work will hold up over the long run.
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Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:08 pm

Wasn't there a second edition of Ghost Buddies?
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Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:08 pm

Still 137 Pale Afternoons left.
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Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:09 pm

Back in the Club 8)
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Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:10 pm

s_k_y wrote:When one has been collecting a particular artist for years and has been *in* since the early years it is very nice to know that your early support and investment of the artist and his/her work are rewarded both aesthetically, as well as financially.

I fully understand and respect the other side of the argument - that art is meant to be out there in as many hands as possible.

That being said, let's take that a step further - for those saying that they see nothing wrong with the second edition how would you feel if Dan decided to make all of his prints unlimited runs? Would you have still purchased the sub? Would you still buy prints on release day knowing that they will be available forever?

There's nothing wrong if you're in it just for the art but people need to understand that there are other collectors out there who take our art collections very seriously and have to be selective with who to invest in. This 2nd edition release just confirms what I had been thinking about how Dan's work will hold up over the long run.
You can't say you weren't hoping for it to happen as well.....
s_k_y wrote:^ I agree.

DSO is a great image, however the prints vary so much based on how good the split is on each of them. I've seen some that are fantastic, while others don't look great. Dan's fond of stars/trees so who knows what next month will bring as well.

Here's hoping for a 'Don Stepped Back Outside' for March. :wink:

Honestly, this makes me want a DSO (1st edition) more now than it did before, because this wasn't hard to get. It still is a fun adventure tracking down big ISO's......With that said, thank god I got 3 subs!!! :lol:
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Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:16 pm

s_k_y wrote:When one has been collecting a particular artist for years and has been *in* since the early years it is very nice to know that your early support and investment of the artist and his/her work are rewarded both aesthetically, as well as financially.

I fully understand and respect the other side of the argument - that art is meant to be out there in as many hands as possible.

That being said, let's take that a step further - for those saying that they see nothing wrong with the second edition how would you feel if Dan decided to make all of his prints unlimited runs? Would you have still purchased the sub? Would you still buy prints on release day knowing that they will be available forever?

There's nothing wrong if you're in it just for the art but people need to understand that there are other collectors out there who take our art collections very seriously and have to be selective with who to invest in. This 2nd edition release just confirms what I had been thinking about how Dan's work will hold up over the long run.
I can respect that. I don't think Dan is going to reissue carbon atom and gloaming and the new porno set, and photosynthesis, three of hearts, etc. etc. I can say on my end that the reissue of Don doesn't do anything to make me not be willing to pay top dollar for any of the above prints that I don't already own. I think this was a one-off thing for something that was in high demand, and pretty much unattainable. If you had told Dan in 2005 that his sub would have 550 print runs by 2000, he probably wouldn't have believed you.
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Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:17 pm

I don't deny that I would've liked something similar to the DSO (clearly you pulled the correct quote!) but the keyword in that is "back" outside...not the exact same image but something like he did with IFGTBL and What Once Was - different, but in the same mood.

There is a difference between a second edition of the same print and a 'II'.

Still a fan his stuff, just have to view his body of work and what the future holds in a different light.

It certainly is a healthy debate. :D
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Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:24 pm

Dan could make prints and sell them at Wal-Mart and I would still buy them. I'm in it for the imagery. I love the outdoors, camping, hiking, etc. and I have always had a love for dinosaurs. It has nothing to do with my desire to sell them down the road if I don't frame them. So your original DSO may be worth a couple hundred less? Who gives a fudge.
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Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:29 pm

Everyone, sell your 04,05 and 06 edition prints to me for cheap. Value is plummeting!!! :wink:

On a serious note, I honestly don't think this will hurt the 1st edition or Dans credibility. How many emails a day to Dan do you think included the words "don stepped outside", this has to be some sort of relief to him knowing there will be a little more of them going around and not everyone asking him for one. He really doesn't have a spare copy around. All his prior work had very small runs and are hard to come by plus they don't have A/P's at all. He told me he never printed a/ps back then because nothing sold out and he had spares for ones that got damaged in shipping. Anyways, I am excited either way. Like I said I will still be ISO of a DSO 1st edition but can't wait to have this hanging in my house. 3 of the 333 DSO's will be coming to me and going to friends that liked the image but would never spend 1k. I still will look at all Dans work the same way I do with his older stuff. Once the flippers get done selling there copies, they will be harder to attain just like his older stuff. Dan hasn't reached his maximum amount of fans and will continue to gain fans with every release. I could be very bias to because he is my favorite artist. The first print I bought here was a McCarthy 1 of 7,000,000,000,000,000 and have not stopped searching for his older prints yet.

End rant, love the DSO 2.0!
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Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:30 pm

mtarail wrote: I don't think Dan is going to reissue carbon atom and gloaming and the new porno set, and photosynthesis, three of hearts, etc. etc. I can say on my end that the reissue of Don doesn't do anything to make me not be willing to pay top dollar for any of the above prints that I don't already own.
Seriously, if anyone's thinking that the bottom of the market has fallen, I'm looking for dark room/insomnia/new porno and photosynthesis. I will prove to you that the market has not fallen apart. :D
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