Nakatomi / Tim Doyle

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Tim - crypto to the side, you screen print and sell and ship paper goods. The environmental impact of what you do alone is not good either.

While I definitely want to help and protect the environment as much as I can, I’m not sure how you avoid the idea that our entire business up and own is kind of bad so it’s odd how you keep bringing it up here as if what you do is perfect.

The issue with everything you just said is that even if 90% was fixed like low gas to buy things (it seriously cost ppl $10 to mint a free nft from us the other day) and Pow to POS (eth to me will be the main currency and will ultimately become PoS and many chains are PoS), you’ll still find something wrong with it and that’s fine. You just don’t need to do the whole crypto sandwich routine and stick to it sucks.

And you like making money and it’s def a factor in what you do and your business model. I know this because you always let us know business is good. You being an artist just helps.
The environmental issue is only one part of the problem with Crypto as an entire enterprise, and as it was stated above- NFT's exist to create a dollar base that feeds into the pyramid, so people on top of the pyramid can start cashing out.

The thing is- paper mills are supplied by tree farms, and the act of growing trees and making paper-pulp takes carbon out of the environment- it is sequestered in paper. Printing, packing, shipping paper is not a net-zero carbon effort- but it's done about as efficiently as possible- because shipping companies want to save on fuel- they have a profit motive to keep their fuel expenditures low.

Crypto based on Proof-of-work blockchains are PURPOSEFULLY wasteful and inefficient- by design. There's no reason for it to exist this way, other than greed. (the greed of those that collect on transaction fees.) They could have run a self-verifying, decentralized spreadsheet literally any other way- but they chose this. It is unsustainable.

Putting physical goods in people's hands is never going to be without a carbon cost.
Putting pyramid-scheme scam-tokens into digital wallets doesn't need to have a carbon cost...and yet...

Yes, I do like making money. But individual wealth should not come at the cost of the greater society.

I feel bad for people who have fallen into the greater scam at the heart of Crypto and NFT's in general.
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TimothyPDoyle wrote:
Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:34 pm
acidburn wrote:
Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:54 am

Tim - crypto to the side, you screen print and sell and ship paper goods. The environmental impact of what you do alone is not good either.

While I definitely want to help and protect the environment as much as I can, I’m not sure how you avoid the idea that our entire business up and own is kind of bad so it’s odd how you keep bringing it up here as if what you do is perfect.

The issue with everything you just said is that even if 90% was fixed like low gas to buy things (it seriously cost ppl $10 to mint a free nft from us the other day) and Pow to POS (eth to me will be the main currency and will ultimately become PoS and many chains are PoS), you’ll still find something wrong with it and that’s fine. You just don’t need to do the whole crypto sandwich routine and stick to it sucks.

And you like making money and it’s def a factor in what you do and your business model. I know this because you always let us know business is good. You being an artist just helps.
The environmental issue is only one part of the problem with Crypto as an entire enterprise, and as it was stated above- NFT's exist to create a dollar base that feeds into the pyramid, so people on top of the pyramid can start cashing out.

The thing is- paper mills are supplied by tree farms, and the act of growing trees and making paper-pulp takes carbon out of the environment- it is sequestered in paper. Printing, packing, shipping paper is not a net-zero carbon effort- but it's done about as efficiently as possible- because shipping companies want to save on fuel- they have a profit motive to keep their fuel expenditures low.

Crypto based on Proof-of-work blockchains are PURPOSEFULLY wasteful and inefficient- by design. There's no reason for it to exist this way, other than greed. (the greed of those that collect on transaction fees.) They could have run a self-verifying, decentralized spreadsheet literally any other way- but they chose this. It is unsustainable.

Putting physical goods in people's hands is never going to be without a carbon cost.
Putting pyramid-scheme scam-tokens into digital wallets doesn't need to have a carbon cost...and yet...

Yes, I do like making money. But individual wealth should not come at the cost of the greater society.

I feel bad for people who have fallen into the greater scam at the heart of Crypto and NFT's in general.
We can keep going back and forth on this. It’s been done before with other members on here. Nothing new on either side. You ignore this. I ignore that.

I will say though you don’t have to feel bad for any of us that are in it. We will be ok lol I promise. If anything I feel bad for you. The moment you wrote this I’m like I bet he wrote a tweet too and sure enough more crypto anger.

If this all collapses, you know what…I tried it and it didn’t work and I move on.

I didn’t sit on the sidelines and yell/preach at ppl for doing something or sit on the sidelines and wonder what it’s all about it. I got to actually see what it’s about and witness the successes and scams. Witness how it works especially with nfts on both sides collecting and creating. Positives and negatives. The negatives on the creation side kind of suck. Going through it now but that’s the difference between someone like you and me. I can actually explain it all because I’m involved. You’re just an observer taking info from a YouTube video.

All of it is an interesting story in my timeline but hey I tried. I like to try things first hand before a 2 hour video tells me not to.

Also, I’m a nobody. No following. Not on top of any pyramid. Have done fine.
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I GUARANTEE there will be a Nakatomi NFT release within 1 year. All it will take is for Tim to see the potential profit from a Change into a Truck gif that gets made into a series of NFTS and he will dive headfirst into the space. We’re talking about the least scrupulous artist in this scene; just a matter of time before his greed overtakes his faux hesitancy.
I would say Mike Mitchell is much more of a scammer. Tim is 100% upfront that he prints open editions and lists reprints as reprints. Mike simply flips an image left to right add a few feathers and declares a brand new fat bird. Not top mention all the tracers out there.

Gotta hand it to Tim, he's 100% right on this NFT bullshit.
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maddog76 wrote:
Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:46 pm
earlgreytoast wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:14 pm
I GUARANTEE there will be a Nakatomi NFT release within 1 year. All it will take is for Tim to see the potential profit from a Change into a Truck gif that gets made into a series of NFTS and he will dive headfirst into the space. We’re talking about the least scrupulous artist in this scene; just a matter of time before his greed overtakes his faux hesitancy.
I would say Mike Mitchell is much more of a scammer. Tim is 100% upfront that he prints open editions and lists reprints as reprints. Mike simply flips an image left to right add a few feathers and declares a brand new fat bird. Not top mention all the tracers out there.

Gotta hand it to Tim, he's 100% right on this NFT bullshit.
Thanks, Maddog.
And I will say-I've been approached by MANY MANY people and organizations about doing NFT's of my work, and work from artists I represent.
I only know what I do about the NFT space, because I wanted to research it completely before I jumped in. And I didn't like what I saw.
I'm not saying I will NEVER release an NFT- but as it currently stands, I don't feel comfortable with the way the whole system is structured, and I feel like major things would have to change in order for it to work for me. I could not in good faith encourage my collectors to jump into crypto to buy my work, when my work is currently readily available to literally anyone who wants it.

I've laid out my concerns here- that "Line Goes Up" video does a better job of it than I have- and I wholeheartedly suggest people watch it- even if they totally disagree with it, the arguments he raises need to be rebutted.
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You work on more rebutts. I will continue to fill my wallet.
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ygolohcysp wrote:
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You work on more rebutts. I will continue to fill my wallet.
And here's the crux of it- when people bring up the very real problems with the whole crypto/ nft thing- instead of addressing these points, the Crypto-bros can only respond with "lol, stay poor, then."
This sociopath type behavior is what is wrong with the entire enterprise. The wellness of society is more important than individual wealth.
This youtube comment said it better than I could-
"I can't help but notice that not a single one of the crypto shills posting their cope here wants to even touch the point that crypto disproportionately empowers and rewards the deceitful and dishonest. When dealing with a group so pathological, it's important to keep sight of the points they don't address even more so than the ones they do."
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TimothyPDoyle wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:12 am
ygolohcysp wrote:
Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:04 am
You work on more rebutts. I will continue to fill my wallet.
And here's the crux of it- when people bring up the very real problems with the whole crypto/ nft thing- instead of addressing these points, the Crypto-bros can only respond with "lol, stay poor, then."
This sociopath type behavior is what is wrong with the entire enterprise. The wellness of society is more important than individual wealth.
This youtube comment said it better than I could-
"I can't help but notice that not a single one of the crypto shills posting their cope here wants to even touch the point that crypto disproportionately empowers and rewards the deceitful and dishonest. When dealing with a group so pathological, it's important to keep sight of the points they don't address even more so than the ones they do."
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-porn- ... o-and-nfts
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Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:48 am

I followed the NFT space for a bit, mostly out of curiosity as an artist and illustrator. Ethereum felt iffy at best, for a lot of reasons already discussed here - environment, rich getting richer, pyramid schemes, etc. so I did some digging on proof of stake solutions.

I found something vastly unique in the community built around Tezos - a natively POS chain, with artists from all over the world as the backbone of its NFT community. The low cost to entry (minting costs pennies compared to hundreds on ETH) and purchase prices attracted artists and collectors, otherwise shunned by or turned off from the ETH platforms. It's most notable platform is hicetnunc.xyz - which was born in Brazil.

Ultimately it's changed the lives of artists who'd been living in poverty, by facilitating a means for fans/collectors to give money directly to the artists they resonate with, without a middleman.

“I see the relief in my friends’ faces: they are paying debts, upgrading their working setups, and helping family members.” -Excerpt from this article: https://restofworld.org/2021/inside-bra ... rketplace/

As with anything, the NFT space as a whole is ripe with scams and terrible human beings. The anti-NFT documentary everyone shares has good points, but fails to explore these edge cases, where NFT's positively change an artist's life for the better.

The jury's still out for me regarding NFT's in general, but I like to share this edge case of NFT's actually helping otherwise disadvantaged artists.
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I found something vastly unique in the community built around Tezos - a natively POS chain, with artists from all over the world as the backbone of its NFT community. The low cost to entry (minting costs pennies compared to hundreds on ETH) and purchase prices attracted artists and collectors, otherwise shunned by or turned off from the ETH platforms. It's most notable platform is hicetnunc.xyz - which was born in Brazil
My understanding, and forgive me if I'm incorrect- is that Tezos works well and has low miniting costs- mainly BECAUSE it is an unpopular currency? And if it did gain in popularity, that would strain the system, thereby recreating the nightmare situations that BitCoin and ETH have become?
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TimothyPDoyle wrote:
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burlydesign wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:48 am

I found something vastly unique in the community built around Tezos - a natively POS chain, with artists from all over the world as the backbone of its NFT community. The low cost to entry (minting costs pennies compared to hundreds on ETH) and purchase prices attracted artists and collectors, otherwise shunned by or turned off from the ETH platforms. It's most notable platform is hicetnunc.xyz - which was born in Brazil
My understanding, and forgive me if I'm incorrect- is that Tezos works well and has low miniting costs- mainly BECAUSE it is an unpopular currency? And if it did gain in popularity, that would strain the system, thereby recreating the nightmare situations that BitCoin and ETH have become?
Tezos is a POS chain and that is why there is non existent fees and nothing to do with it being not popular. It’s what keeps getting brought up here but you just choose to ignore.

Even when it hit $8 everything was just fine. Issue was the main marketplace hicentuc was terrible and couldn’t handle the traffic. Killed momentum. They all use objkt now and everything is just fine.
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Tezos is a POS chain and that is why there is non existent fees and nothing to do with it being not popular. It’s what keeps getting brought up here but you just choose to ignore.

Even when it hit $8 everything was just fine. Issue was the main marketplace hicentuc was terrible and couldn’t handle the traffic. Killed momentum. They all use objkt now and everything is just fine.
I'm not choosing to ignore it- I'm asking questions so that I can understand it better.
Some of us here, however- are purposefully ignoring that the entirety of crypto is built on a pyramid scheme, and NFT's are the bait on the hook to bring more marks into the scheme.
If we wanted to get into who was ignoring what...
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Then we are on the pyramid. Has been on a fun 7 years.

How are you shipping your posters now? Putting the tube into a cardboard box? All of that has been something else

Also, your Fortnite art was really nice. Congrats on that
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I'm curious why you don't just do custom size order on your tubes. You have the volume to do so from yazoo, no?
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I'm curious why you don't just do custom size order on your tubes. You have the volume to do so from yazoo, no?
wont get into it here but its not that easy trust me. We had other ideas that we tried but Yazoo doesn't do it. Surcharge happening on that tube by itself either way.

We figured it out but sort of sucks
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acidburn wrote:
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Codeblue wrote:
Sun Apr 24, 2022 6:49 pm
I'm curious why you don't just do custom size order on your tubes. You have the volume to do so from yazoo, no?
wont get into it here but its not that easy trust me. We had other ideas that we tried but Yazoo doesn't do it. Surcharge happening on that tube by itself either way.

We figured it out but sort of sucks
We were able to get a custom 22" tube size out of ULine that fit our bill- only slightly more expensive than the size we were ordering (Double-walled Telescoping 3x25 tubes w/ metal endcaps). That allows us to ship our 18x24's without any upcharge on the postage side- and the 24x36 prints ship in our 4x30" tubes with only the $4 upcharge. (totally avoiding the dreaded $15 charge).

My question tho- how the heck is anyone able to service Australia and NZ now? It costs over $100 to ship a tube down under on USPS?
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