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fitz
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Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:48 am
dsanacore wrote:I always think it's sad to see a print set come out with 1 "popular" artists mixed in with a few lesser known artists and to then see everyone complain and gripe about how they're forced to get "less desirable work" or whatnot. Personally after getting a better look at the four pieces the Kevin Early Taylor is by far my favorite. The Ericson is really nice too. I prefer them both other the Keyes and it's a bummer to see everyone dismissing them so quickly.
It is sad but also just the way it is - someone like Banksy could release a blank sheet of paper with a stamp on it and a clever name and people would pay hundreds if not thousands for it and it would sell out in a fraction of a second.
I really like the Carr but only if it was a $50 print or something, not for $200.
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dsanacore
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Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:54 am
fitz wrote:dsanacore wrote:I always think it's sad to see a print set come out with 1 "popular" artists mixed in with a few lesser known artists and to then see everyone complain and gripe about how they're forced to get "less desirable work" or whatnot. Personally after getting a better look at the four pieces the Kevin Early Taylor is by far my favorite. The Ericson is really nice too. I prefer them both other the Keyes and it's a bummer to see everyone dismissing them so quickly.
It is sad but also just the way it is - someone like Banksy could release a blank sheet of paper with a stamp on it and a clever name and people would pay hundreds if not thousands for it and it would sell out in a fraction of a second.
I really like the Carr but only if it was a $50 print or something, not for $200.
I get that. I totally understand that people will want anything released by certain artists. It's more how quickly the other artists in the set are dismissed, put down or ignored that bothers me. It's just a trend I've noticed whenever sets are released.
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fitz
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Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:58 am
dsanacore wrote:fitz wrote:dsanacore wrote:I always think it's sad to see a print set come out with 1 "popular" artists mixed in with a few lesser known artists and to then see everyone complain and gripe about how they're forced to get "less desirable work" or whatnot. Personally after getting a better look at the four pieces the Kevin Early Taylor is by far my favorite. The Ericson is really nice too. I prefer them both other the Keyes and it's a bummer to see everyone dismissing them so quickly.
It is sad but also just the way it is - someone like Banksy could release a blank sheet of paper with a stamp on it and a clever name and people would pay hundreds if not thousands for it and it would sell out in a fraction of a second.
I really like the Carr but only if it was a $50 print or something, not for $200.
I get that. I totally understand that people will want anything released by certain artists. It's more how quickly the other artists in the set are dismissed, put down or ignored that bothers me. It's just a trend I've noticed whenever sets are released.
yeah - just frustration I suspect- if those others were released separately people would probably be a lot more positive as I remember seeing prints by Carr discussed on here before and people were very complimentary about them
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sidewaysscott
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Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:01 am
I actually like all four pieces. But, not enough to drop $800.
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fitz
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Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:07 am
its hard to see sets generally being a good idea unless they are all by the same artist and relating to the same theme (like Olly's GOT set) or you are always going to end up with one or two that no-one wants but being expected to pay for them all the same, its never going to leave a good taste in the buyers mouth.
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Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:14 am
dsanacore wrote:I always think it's sad to see a print set come out with 1 "popular" artists mixed in with a few lesser known artists and to then see everyone complain and gripe about how they're forced to get "less desirable work" or whatnot. Personally after getting a better look at the four pieces the Kevin Early Taylor is by far my favorite. The Ericson is really nice too. I prefer them both other the Keyes and it's a bummer to see everyone dismissing them so quickly.
Would "lesser known" have been a better descriptor? I was not casting any aspersions regarding the quality of the art of the other prints. I like a couple of them. It's the price that is the stickler for me. I would not spend 200 dollars on them apiece (albeit in part because I know nothing about the artists), let alone 800 dollars just to get the Keyes.
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dsanacore
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Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:20 am
I agree that the price is high. I'm just noting a trend I've noticed over the years in regard to prints being bundled as a set. I think a part of it is people's desire to own every single print released by particular artists so when a set comes out they view themselves as being forced to buy prints they don't want as opposed to seeing an opportunity to grab a set of prints that they actually collectively enjoy. Anyways, don't mind me. I'm just observing.
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maddoghoek100
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Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:21 am
i would tend to agree. the old adage one persons trash is another persons treasure. The other artists dont have an active resale market here...which does not have anything to do with their overall popularity or quality of the work. The nice part about a package is it exposes you to other things, the bad part is you have to take thing you personally want less to get the things you want. That said anyone in this place trying to split the set and keep the keyes is just silly. You need to find the place where keyes is less popular to go split the set if that is your plan.
last night i started doing a little research, Lisa i have known for a while. She is Josh's wife and is very talented in her own right.
i have started to really like Kevin Early Taylor, has sort of a weird surrealist Walton ford vibe, i do think this is not the strongest image i have seen form him in looking around the web a bit.
lindsey Carr i dont know yet.
dsanacore wrote:I always think it's sad to see a print set come out with 1 "popular" artists mixed in with a few lesser known artists and to then see everyone complain and gripe about how they're forced to get "less desirable work" or whatnot. Personally after getting a better look at the four pieces the Kevin Early Taylor is by far my favorite. The Ericson is really nice too. I prefer them both other the Keyes and it's a bummer to see everyone dismissing them so quickly.
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Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:23 am
Eh, I care less about them being "lesser known" artists (truth be told they're not bad pieces at all) but sets are like the Package Deals thread - just a lot of money to drop all at once for several pieces, even if you happen to want most of them. But I suppose I like/try to pace myself more than others on here.
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Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:42 am
It's not so much that I dislike the other artists or mean to put them down, it's that I feel like im being forced to purchase 3 other prints if all I wanted was the Keyes print. They have to expect this reaction though when mixing 4 prints by 4 different artists in one purchase.
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Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:49 am
zefarrett wrote:It's not so much that I dislike the other artists or mean to put them down, it's that I feel like im being forced to purchase 3 other prints if all I wanted was the Keyes print. They have to expect this reaction though when mixing 4 prints by 4 different artists in one purchase.
Well duh, you ARE being forced. They are know what they are doing! It's a tried and true sales tactic.. bundle one thing everyone wants to move some other things nobody wants. Dangle the carrot and see who bites. I applaud their business tactic, I just think they are shooting for the moon on the price.
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Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:54 am
now now, dont feel that way just because it is true. they are locking in their revenue for the year upfront. that is just a smart business plan.
zefarrett wrote:It's not so much that I dislike the other artists or mean to put them down, it's that I feel like im being forced to purchase 3 other prints if all I wanted was the Keyes print. They have to expect this reaction though when mixing 4 prints by 4 different artists in one purchase.
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dsanacore
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Wed Feb 11, 2015 12:00 pm
I guess that's where I differ. I identify myself as someone who appreciates art on an individual basis more so than a collector who wants to own every release by an artist. I love Audrey Kawasaki's art and have an enormous collection of her works, but I don't feel compelled to buy every single new release so if she happens to do a set with artists that I'm indifferent about it wouldn't be too big of a deal for me to pass on it. There will always be another.
Granted, one could make an argument if they "really loved the piece that was locked into a set" but I don't get the impression that that's the case with this Keyes. Compared to the rest of Josh's work this isn't everyone's favorite, is it?
But yes. I totally agree that $800 for this set is a bit over ambitious by the gallery. Though like people have said, it's a smart move by them.
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Wed Feb 11, 2015 12:07 pm
I get the impression that Josh is trying his best to help out a local (Portland) business....he is probably a large part of what's keeping that gallery afloat until they reach their stride....