No pics makes this thread a whole lot less useful
Floating a Print
Luls. the original pics were for the Fairey peace series, which are just a bit bigger than the letterpresses. Ch1s appears to be semi-active here so hopefully he sees the request for reposting the pics or perhaps will even do a redo if necessary.
RupertPupkin wrote:I live by this rule and this rule alone: people are drymounting idiots.
I originally did this post 9 years ago and have no idea where the photos are now. I'm guessing the links to the photos where broken when they upgraded this site. I'll redo the post the next time I'm floating a print. I've done a couple videos regarding the use of wheat paste. Perhaps I can try to do a video tutorial about floating a print.
The video below is an example of how wheat paste and Japanese mulberry paper are completely reversible. Using a moist Q-tip, tweezes and a surgical blade I remove a glued hinge. Once the hinge is removed the paper still appears to be flawless. There is no residual glue left behind and the paper is not marred or torn.
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thanks. I refer people to this thread all the time when they ask about floating.CHR1S wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:46 amI originally did this post 9 years ago and have no idea where the photos are now. I'm guessing the links to the photos where broken when they upgraded this site. I'll redo the post the next time I'm floating a print. I've done a couple videos regarding the use of wheat paste. Perhaps I can try to do a video tutorial about floating a print.
I hope all is well.
"we all float down here"
luls. It's all about the paper man.
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I found a way to see the images. you cannot click to expand, but still better than nothing
https://web.archive.org/web/20120630015 ... 31&t=62429
https://web.archive.org/web/20120630015 ... 31&t=62429
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I’ve had this page bookmarked for a while since I have a few I need to do.
Got all the supplies (and I remember the helpful original posts here), just been too lazy with framing new stuff since it means I also have to reorganize the full walls lol.
https://frametek.com/articles/float-fra ... atercolor/
Got all the supplies (and I remember the helpful original posts here), just been too lazy with framing new stuff since it means I also have to reorganize the full walls lol.
https://frametek.com/articles/float-fra ... atercolor/
After getting hit with sticker shock from a local framer for hinging and framing a print, I thought I would check out this thread to maybe take on the task myself. The estimate ranged from $1,100 to $1,500 depending on glazing for a pricey Hanuka print, 24 x 36, single window mat and backer with a basic black frame. It’s been a while since I’ve had anything framed. Is anybody here spending this much for framing?
I've had ~45 pieces framed in just the past two years.
Here is my unorganized advice:
The majority of my prints I get done at Hobby Lobby. The rest are split between mostly Michaels and then on special occasions, the mom and pops shops.
My framers at Hobby Lobby (I switched stores when I moved) have been PHENOMENAL. The best work, by far, has come from them. (Ironically)
I've established relationships with the framers (there is usually only two per store), and the process only gets better over time as you dial in with them.
I only have one person framing my work at Hobby Lobby right now.
Pricing is usually at most only a THIRD of the price if I go to a mom and pops shop.
Most average sized prints run $150-$275 to have done, some of the fancier stuff when I'm playing with multiple mats and stacking frames is more in the $300-$450 range.
The downside to Hobby Lobby is the variety and selection of frames that they have. There are times I will venture out, purchase the moulding elsewhere, and have Hobby Lobby finish it up.
There are other times where I will buy my moulding and mat from a local place, and outsource the glass from Hobby Lobby.
I use museum glass with everything. Museum glass is cheap as fudge to produce, and it's cheap as fudge to buy from Hobby Lobby or Michaels.
There is no reason to pay $300-$500 for a piece of Tru View museum glass from a local shop when you can get the same exact thing from Hobby Lobby or Michaels for $90.
Michaels has more of a selection than Hobby Lobby, but they have a much higher turnover rate with staff. Much younger and inexperienced people working there. (perhaps it's just the ones I've been to)
I've had less luck there, but will still roll the dice from time to time. They've had to redo many pieces of mine for the stupidest of reasons. They also tend to be slightly cheaper than HL.
I recently had some experience with JoAnn Fabrics (RIP) where their 68% off sale resulted in me purchasing the EXACT SAME Larson-Juhl frame that a local place quoted me 68% more for. ($175 vs $545)
I have been dragged in fb groups for questioning pricing from mom and pops shops, but I really dgaf.
In summary, I would focus on finding and developing a relationship with a framer with decent experience at a Hobby Lobby or a Michaels.
You can find great options for 95% of what you'd ever want framed between those two stores.
Here is my unorganized advice:
The majority of my prints I get done at Hobby Lobby. The rest are split between mostly Michaels and then on special occasions, the mom and pops shops.
My framers at Hobby Lobby (I switched stores when I moved) have been PHENOMENAL. The best work, by far, has come from them. (Ironically)
I've established relationships with the framers (there is usually only two per store), and the process only gets better over time as you dial in with them.
I only have one person framing my work at Hobby Lobby right now.
Pricing is usually at most only a THIRD of the price if I go to a mom and pops shop.
Most average sized prints run $150-$275 to have done, some of the fancier stuff when I'm playing with multiple mats and stacking frames is more in the $300-$450 range.
The downside to Hobby Lobby is the variety and selection of frames that they have. There are times I will venture out, purchase the moulding elsewhere, and have Hobby Lobby finish it up.
There are other times where I will buy my moulding and mat from a local place, and outsource the glass from Hobby Lobby.
I use museum glass with everything. Museum glass is cheap as fudge to produce, and it's cheap as fudge to buy from Hobby Lobby or Michaels.
There is no reason to pay $300-$500 for a piece of Tru View museum glass from a local shop when you can get the same exact thing from Hobby Lobby or Michaels for $90.
Michaels has more of a selection than Hobby Lobby, but they have a much higher turnover rate with staff. Much younger and inexperienced people working there. (perhaps it's just the ones I've been to)
I've had less luck there, but will still roll the dice from time to time. They've had to redo many pieces of mine for the stupidest of reasons. They also tend to be slightly cheaper than HL.
I recently had some experience with JoAnn Fabrics (RIP) where their 68% off sale resulted in me purchasing the EXACT SAME Larson-Juhl frame that a local place quoted me 68% more for. ($175 vs $545)
I have been dragged in fb groups for questioning pricing from mom and pops shops, but I really dgaf.
In summary, I would focus on finding and developing a relationship with a framer with decent experience at a Hobby Lobby or a Michaels.
You can find great options for 95% of what you'd ever want framed between those two stores.
wutangben — Thanks for your detailed, comprehensive response. It’s great you’ve found skilled people at those larger chains with decent pricing. I want to rotate out some existing work and get four or five movie posters framed. The current estimate from the local framer would run up to about five thousand dollars which I’m not going to do, not for posters I’ll probably rotate out again. Again thanks for the sound advice.
I managed a couple different Hobby Lobby frame shops and can attest to this 100%
It's all about making a relationship with a certain framer or two. A lot of times HL hires some pretty experienced people who used to even own their own shops. The prices can't be beat on their museum glass and higher end matboards.
The music we had to put up with though.. especially Christmas, ouch.
It's all about making a relationship with a certain framer or two. A lot of times HL hires some pretty experienced people who used to even own their own shops. The prices can't be beat on their museum glass and higher end matboards.
The music we had to put up with though.. especially Christmas, ouch.