2020 Elections - A New Hope

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Mon Feb 24, 2020 4:39 pm

Election 2020: Higher Voter Turnout Will Help Trump Win, New Study Reveals

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ibtime ... 81%3famp=1

Its study suggests if every eligible adult voted in 2020 (including the 100 million), Democrats will increase their popular vote lead from the 2016 presidential election, but will still lose the Electoral College.

That's because in the closest battleground states of Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, more non-voters say they’ll likely support Trump if they vote, rather than the Democratic Party’s nominee.
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 4:42 pm

Maybe Sanders is right that America is ready for a fundamental reorienting of how we value ourselves, our society and our money. But if he's not -- and this election winds up being like virtually every other election in which people vote on who is going to let them keep more of their money -- then Sanders (and Democrats by extension) have a big problem.
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Sanders is soo full of fudge he’s about to burst. Just like every other politician. And yeah, sanders couldn’t figure out how to effectively use socialism within his own staff, how is he going to effectively roll it out to the country? Fire 25% of us so he can give the rest of us $15/hr? That guys a flaming idiot.

We just got that tax dodger bezos to FINALLY pay tax this year. Oh, and he paid only 1% and he’s the richest man on earth.

The problem about small minded people like sanders is they can’t think outside the box. The middle class American tax payer can’t afford to fund his free everything for everyone policies. They’re making less than folks did in the 70’s based on gdp growth and cost of living valuations. And the rich, well, what do U think will happen when someone thinks they are gonna take on a trillion dollar company is gonna happen? They’ll find a loophole and still not pay it. If they lose they’ll find a way to create or funnel losses by acquiring toxic assets w/ high real estate values and bankrupt it to not pay taxes and then have a huge real estate empire to boot. Like our president made his money. It’s no secret. Trump took an L purposefully so he could take a billion dollar tax write off over 10 yrs that effectively cut his taxes to nil.

It’s past now, but still within the last 7-10 yrs on his returns. And when the rich can’t do the first 2 tax dodging steps, they’ll sue you and get a stay on whatever ur trying to charge them through the four ya and stall it out for as long as they need until they get political favor again. That could be 4, maybe 10 yrs. But, they don’t care. It’s cheaper than paying taxes.

Plus, capitalism is what makes America the capital of innovation. Musk didn’t come here for the traffic in LA. Einstein didn’t come for the brats and beer. And kids of world leaders and the elite from the entire world send their kids to school here because it’s the best in the world. Why? Capitalism.

You can’t have the best of everything or anything really in a socialist or communist party society. Ur all supposed to have the same. Only those in power of said socialist or communist parties have that. That’s why technically Putin is the richest man on earth. His wealth is assumed to make Bezos look like a pauper.

So yeah, Bernie has a “problem”.

And honestly, I wish Bernie didn’t win the ticket. I feel like with his refusal to be transparent with his health after screaming like a lil girl at everyone else to be transparent to what he wanted a sign of a real issue. He gets soo worked up and can’t handle being badgered that he’ll probably have a heart attack and keel over debating trump. And let’s face it. That isn’t what anyone wants to see. Although, I’m sure Killary has her sights on trying to be his “VP”...
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 4:50 pm

Sanders lectures about income equality and all that fudge but the guy owns three houses and drives around in exotics
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Sounds like you live on exotics
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I love me some exotics too. It’s those damn feisty Asians that cause all the problems.

Ain’t that right fredo?
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I laugh when all of these rich people get on their high horses about income equality and yet, they are the ones paying illegal nannies and housekeepers under the table so they don’t have to pay taxes on them or for them. The fact that they are wealthy at all is pure comedy. If ur that passionate about it, don’t accept more money and give it back to the people rich socialists! It’s that simple. Then I’ll start listening to u and taking u seriously. Stand for what u believe in by doing it. But they don’t, do they. They masquerade around in their shadow LLC’s and funnel money. They do donate through their “non-profit associations” cough cough... but somehow those donations end up actually making them money on their taxes. Funny how that happens.

If folks like gates and buffet want to fix things for America, it’s pretty simple. Donate ALL of ur wealth to social security, welfare and Medicare. Sell off all of ur stocks to make that happen too. I’m tired of the do as I say not as I do posers...
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 5:17 pm

HR3 wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 4:25 pm
Ok ZOOMER!

Do you just make up fudge as you go along?

Take a look at this chart, which details the percentage of the overall electorate 18-29-year-old voters comprised in every presidential election since 1980:

Young voters comprised 18 percent of the electorate in 2008, a one-point improvement from their share of the electorate in 2004, 2000 and 1996, but nowhere near the heights they reached in the 1980s.

Keep trying...

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That's a nice chart you posted from the first WaPo article in your google search. How come you left out the second chart, the link or maybe these first two sentences of the article?

"Everyone knows that one of the pillars of President Obama’s 2008 victory was young people. What most people don’t get is how exactly the youth vote mattered to Obama."

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BENYOUNG20 wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 4:16 pm
BlakeAronson wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:43 pm
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:33 pm
Pretty sure anyone who has ever won ...has done it without the youth vote. Its a vote that helps...but not typically a deciding factor as they vote so much less than other age groups.
Um.... Obama?
https://www.pewresearch.org/2008/11/13/ ... -election/
This research shows that lower youth turnout would have changed a couple of states, but enough to change the election (though I also see articles saying the opposite).

I think its nice to think anyone demographic can help change the election....but overall I don't think it can. Unless you are focusing just on that demographic in just the few states that can really change in an election.

On a state like Florida that can go either way, I see Bloomberg being much more electable over Bernie. Regardless of which I would rather have.
This article is from 2008 immediately after Obama was elected to his first term. Would have been better if you posted an article that had data from 2012 and 2016 as well, but don't bother because as you said, "I also see articles saying the opposite."

You can see from the post above from that rambling shill that the total 18-29 turnout only increased 1% point over 1996/2000/2004. Good point to make, but...

Of those 18-29, look what % Obama captured?

From the WaPo article that those graphs came from, "The youth turnout then was far less consequential to Obama’s victory than the consolidation of the 18-29-year-old vote behind his candidacy"

The one argument I will accept against Sanders is how well will he do in those swing states? So far I only see answers full of opinion. What I would love to see? Head to head polls in these specific states, X dem vs Trump. Show me some data like that and you may convince me to pick a different candidate.
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 6:01 pm

Stand up to Bernie or You – and We – All Lose

https://www.thirdway.org/memo/stand-up- ... e-all-lose

Sanders is not a Democrat, yet he is asking Democrats to give him their nomination as President of the United States. How, exactly, has he earned that?

Sanders has called the Democratic Party “intellectually and spiritually bankrupt,” so it is no surprise that he routinely has declined the Democratic endorsement for Senate in VT.
In 2011, he suggested it might be a “good idea” to primary President Obama in 2012. He had brought up a potential primary challenge to Obama several times that summer.
After 2016, he worked on the committee to change the DNC rules and now has said (in Las Vegas) that he won’t follow those rules.

These and many other aspects of his record would offer Trump a deadly arsenal with which to savage Sanders and down-ballot Democrats. Sanders’ notion that he is the most “electable” among you is laughable on its face, which is why Republicans are campaigning for him. For every voter he “mobilizes” with his radicalism, he will turn out at least one for Trump. Negative partisanship is powerful when the candidates are extreme. Loyal Democrats like us would support Sanders, but too many others wouldn’t.
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The CIA is “a dangerous institution that has got to go,” Sanders told an audience in Vermont in October 1974. He described the agency as a tool of American corporate interests that repeatedly toppled democratically elected leaders — including, he said, Mosaddegh. The agency was accountable to no one, he fumed, “except right-wing lunatics who use it to prop up fascist dictatorships.”
At the time, the 33-year-old socialist was running for U.S. Senate on the ticket of the Liberty Union Party, an anti-war group that likened the draft to “a modern form of slavery” and called for reducing the U.S. military in favor of local militias and the Coast Guard.
While Sanders’ extreme leftist past is well known, many of his specific views from the 1970s and ’80s remain unfamiliar even to Democratic insiders. And while those views have mellowed considerably over time, Sanders’ unexpectedly strong performance in the presidential race has party leaders increasingly alarmed that Republicans would make devastating use of his early career should he win the Democratic nomination.
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Tensions were somewhat high at the time though, and that war + the CIAs behavior...well, it weren’t good
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gorkie wrote:
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Sanders is not a Democrat, yet he is asking Democrats to give him their nomination as President of the United States. How, exactly, has he earned that?
I think I've asked this a couple times to the Bernie haters now and still no answer from anyone.

Would you prefer he ran as an independent?

I don't think you would.
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