Re: America: The Trump Era
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:11 pm
Art discussion forum.
There is nothing described in the article that constitutes meddling. Not the way they described it anyway. It just is a really weak article without many/any facts, really. I am still not sure if you read the article or not. Unless we are talking about something else now, something other than the article.
BlakeAronson wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:01 amCome on now, you're starting to conflate and strawman like comradX. Do you really think the same people complaining about Russian meddling/interference are perfectly OK with the US abandoning an arms treaty? If so just go spend some time in a Fox news comment section and you'll soon realize the "nuke em all" crowd isn't the one complaining about Russians.bubbie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:32 amAnother example of bullshit is exiting the INF Treaty and blaming the Russians, then Bolton saying that the real reason is China developing and deploying the banned under the treaty missiles and then testing one not long after dropping out yourselves and saying that the missiles will be deployed in the early 20s. Right?
Sure, you can call it conflation, I have no problem with that. When I say “you”, I don’t mean you BlakeAronson, or mtrail, or anyone else on this forum in particular. Just as when I say “Russians”, I don’t refer to Poutine or any particular individual from Russia. I very generally refer to America and Russia, respectfully. You guys are Americans, are you not? I don’t personally see anything wrong with the “you” reference I used and usually use. I know where most or all of the “regulars” of this thread stand and I don’t mean any disrespect, if that’s where you are coming from. I feel like I said that previously, but I want to reiterate.
She probably is. I mean she is in jail, so she has to be. Not a good one anyway. Also, I personally do not care about her and whether she is/was a spy, honestly. Don’t care about the Russian guy who was made by the media and was forced to abandon his almost a mil worth house because of the media. Lol. The latter is worse of a person, in my opinion, because he definitely did it for the money. Butina May have had some ideological reasons. I wonder if the deal the Russian guy had covers events like this or the payments he received is all he gets and now has to live in some shitty neighbourhood like everyone else.jjttdw wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:04 amTrying to figure out your point on this one. She is a spy who was infiltrating conservative groups, we had a spy in Russia we got out. It is certainly a point for discussion if you don't think she was a spy.bubbie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:32 amOr talking about Butina, while:
CNN: Exclusive: US extracted top spy from inside Russia in 2017
Right?The source was considered the highest level source for the US inside the Kremlin, high up in the national security infrastructure, according to the source familiar with the matter and a former senior intelligence official.
According to CNN's sources, the spy had access to Putin and could even provide images of documents on the Russian leader's desk.
The covert source provided information for more than a decade, according to the sources, and an initial effort to extract the spy, after exposure concerns, was rebuffed by the informant.
Best thing the dude did since he took office! Good for everyone. Yeah, he may replace him with someone nutty, but it would be hard to find a nuttier nut.jjttdw wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:40 pmThis certainly qualifies for Dick on Dick crime.
Trump fires John Bolton
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/10/politics ... index.html
Guess he wasn't enough of a sycophant.
Trump also felt like Bolton wasn't a forceful enough advocate for him in the media -- and that when he did make appearances, he wasn't convincing enough, since it was evident he didn't believe in some of Trump's foreign policy goals, the source added.
Wait, Trump has foreign policy goals?
The positive side of the story is that the chances of war with Iran just went way down.