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Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:04 pm

cktbreaker wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:57 pm
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Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:49 pm
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Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:45 pm
Gorkie you just fulfilled my statement. Thanks.
And what I understand is how you are ignorant to believe what you just said and nothing else.
What's obvious is how immature you are in always having to have the last comment, after something that is contradictory to your pro USA belief, however meaningless it may be. Please control your emotions a bit.
My emotions are fine. And so is my maturity level. Especially given the nature/directedness of your discourse.

And always remember - you have the option to never have to read what I write again. It's a super nifty option. Check it out.
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Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:20 pm

The disconnect here is that the two of you are making a false comparison by equating WWII with every other conflict, some idiotic, the U.S. has been involved in. Gorkie is focusing on WWII. If you both think that U.S. conduct in WWII is on par with that of the Japanese, that is on you. I wouldn't be surprised is Gorkie believes that quite few of the conflicts the U.S. has been involved in before and after WWII were unjust.
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Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:27 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=515-EfhXne0


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Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:30 pm

Thoughts on the red flag proposals? Already exists in some states and DC


Law enforcement agencies must file a petition including details about how the person poses a risk to others or themselves. It includes their access to firearms and lists which they are known to possess. The case is brought before a judge who decides whether to issue the order which allows guns to be seized until another court hearing.

Statewide in 2018, 1,938 temporary risk protection orders were granted, according to statewide court data. In all, 1,175 final orders were granted. Temporary orders allow lawmen to seize weapons for 14 days while final orders last a year.


Few examples I found:

Officers detailed a fight in which the man hit a patron over the head with a bottle moments after bartenders took a 9mm handgun because he was intoxicated and threatening.
The same man had multiple interactions with police that involved firearms.
He crashed his truck in June 2018 after he’d been drinking. Police found a loaded assault rifle on the front seat and a pistol in his waistband. Two more assault rifles, two more handguns, a Kevlar vest and several hundred rounds of ammunition were found in the truck.

A man whose family was concerned he’d bought a gun after being fired from his job. The man suffers from schizophrenia and bipolar disorders and family believed he had not been taking his medication.
Neighbors noticed a shift in his behavior and that he’d been wearing a ballistic vest and putting his household possessions in the yard. He’d also showed neighbors a handgun in his waistband and threatened to shoot them.

A suicidal woman whose mother was concerned for her safety.
The woman had texted her mom that she was considering suicide but refused to turn over her gun. She’d attempted suicide previously and was under the care of a psychiatrist but not taking prescribed medication.
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Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:43 pm

An obvious step forward.
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That's what she said
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Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:02 pm

jjttdw wrote:
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They should start my reading that article. Whatever the U.S. did in WWII did not include killing a half million people in "medical" experiments like Unit 731 did. On a different topic...this is an AWESOME poster

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lol, there was also someone there with a "Welcome to Toledo" sign, ahahahahaha
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ygolohcysp wrote:
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cktbreaker wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:57 pm
how immature you are

We're not the good guys
jesus, it's not black-and-white, good guy/bad guy.

Stop playing this stupid card to fit your narrative. Yes, dropping the A-bomb was horrific. But it was better than what the alternatives probably were . . .
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hunterjax wrote:
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lol, there was also someone there with a "Welcome to Toledo" sign, ahahahahaha
I liked this one
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Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:59 pm

Ees a hoax.

Tucker Carlson’s claim that white supremacy is a “hoax” is false — but revealing
Tucker doth protest too much.


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Wall Street Fears Trump May Be Too Dumb to End Trade War Before 2020

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Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:58 pm

It is past time to admit that this is precisely who we are: a nation that willingly trades the lives of hundreds of innocent civilians for unencumbered access to the weapons best suited to slaughter them.

Only when we come to terms with that fact — when we, our public officials and ourselves, stop deluding one another about it — will we have a chance to change it.

When we admit that allowing these massacres to continue is in fact a choice we are making, maybe then we will be able to close the gaping loopholes in our background-check laws. Maybe then we will institute a strong federal ban on the kind of weapons that make it possible for a murderous Ohio man to kill nine people and wound 27 more in under a minute.

In the meantime, this is who we are: the land of the free and the home of the dead.


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Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:19 pm

holy crap did you just post a quote I agree with? drymount me.
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Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:40 pm

finneganm wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:43 pm
An obvious step forward.
But conveniently couched in the mental-illness/suicide/clearly bad apple/reactionary paradigm. Not surprising coming from someone who thinks 'leaving only footprints" is a solution to enviro ills..

ps the anti-US-hegemony folks never discuss the (dictator or bust!) alternatives. Because of course they don't.
just a foil for me today, thanks
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Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:51 pm

I'm anti US hegemony.

Let's discuss these alternatives!

Surely you are not implying US hegemony is good for the world?

But of course you won't...
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Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:49 am

fredo wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:40 pm
finneganm wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:43 pm
An obvious step forward.
But conveniently couched in the mental-illness/suicide/clearly bad apple/reactionary paradigm. Not surprising coming from someone who thinks 'leaving only footprints" is a solution to enviro ills..

ps the anti-US-hegemony folks never discuss the (dictator or bust!) alternatives. Because of course they don't.
I'm sorry for not providing a point by point detailed program to end pollution and move to renewable clean energy. I was on my way out the door headed to St Augustine to see Widespread Panic and didn't have the time. Point me to your solutions and I'll let you know which ones I agree or disagree with. This reminds me, I need to add the artwork to the database.

I do believe mental illness plays a part in these shootings. The Dayton shooter was under psychiatric care for a while and prescribed meds. His dad ironically is a former addict and current therapist that specializes in "anxiety or fears", "coping mechanisms" and "family conflict".

I believe it's a combination of many things, the collapse of the family unit, pharmaceuticals used to treat everything, easy access to firearms, social media, 24 hr news cycle that needs drama for ratings.

The shooters don't all fit the same mold, the social media accounts suggests the Dayton shooter was a socialist, a satanist, an Elizabeth Warren fan, and an opponent of gun violence(?).
The El Paso shooter manifesto states serious white nationalist socialist ideals proposing universal income & free health care for all for the population that was left after elimination of minorities.
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