America: The Trump Era

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An American believing the conspiracy that Russia stole his election, then mocking Russians for being into conspiracy theories??!!!

Genius.


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just a foil for me today, thanks
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Ever thought of weaponising your humour?
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NEWPORTS69 wrote:ive kept journal for very long time and ranked public restrooms because i srs hate using them, was working on an app but im not very smart
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Yours needs more than weaponising, bro.

Yours needs work.
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Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:22 am

chalkdust wrote:
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dero is basically x-light at this point
Pardon me, but I was awarded that title a while back and I am not sharing.
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fredo wrote:
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finneganm wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:21 pm
I don’t think there is nearly as much thought that goes into those tweets as you do.

He’s appealing to his base, because that’s all he can do.
I think he has strategists that put ideas in his head then he tweets them from the sh1tter.(especially the Sunday morning tweets)
That is much more plausible than Trump having a strategy.
It's also a nice pivot away from what Dump actually is. and what he is actually saying and doing.

Dump is always and forever outing himself.
Funny, but those who are still not aware of what Trump actually is don’t really matter voting wise. He has been outing himself for 4 years now speaking into the microphone as loud as he can (I don’t include his pre-campaign life). His support numbers are still quite amazing, actually.

I mean really, what else can be done to “expose” the guy?

It is also pretty amazing that there are many people who still believe the guy is an idiot. The dude is racist, narcissist, not very smart, etc, etc, but he is not an idiot. He plays his game fairly well. As far as his voting base is concerned, he is getting things done. Don’t quote me, ask da base.

The Democrats are really at least two parties now running as a coalition rather than a single “united” party. All the guy has to do is paint them all in one “unfavourable” colour and that is exactly what he is doing. The racist and whatever message has gotten old, everybody knows it; those who don’t agree, won’t agree no matter what “condemnation” bills are passed. Why does the media even respond and “translate” his tweets at this point? Who gives a fudge? Get to the real issues.
"What he's trying to do is very smart from an electoral strategy perspective," said Ford O'Connell, a Republican strategist who worked on John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign.

"He's trying to make the Squad … the face of the 2020 Democratic Party."

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By equating the party with them, Trump not only fires up his base but also potentially gets the ear of undecided voters in the swing and battleground states, such as Michigan and Pennsylvania, that will decide the 2020 election.

O'Connell pointed to a poll from May shared with the Axios news site that took the political temperature of around 1,000 likely voters who are white and have two years or less of college education. It's a demographic that embraced Trump in 2016 — and one Democrats are trying to win in swing districts.

The poll suggested that while Ocasio-Cortez was recognized by 74 per cent of voters surveyed, only 22 per cent had a favourable view of the congresswoman. Omar stood at 53 and nine per cent, respectively.

Respondents were also asked about socialism, which 69 per cent of them viewed unfavourably.

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bubbie wrote:
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The dude is racist, narcissist, not very smart, etc, etc, but he is not an idiot. He plays his game fairly well.
He’s a gifted charlatan, which parlays very well into being a gifted politician to a group of people that don’t want to overthink his messages.
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That's what she said
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Ever thought of weaponising your humour?
Gaslighting weaponization

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It’s just too much effort to read that
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That's what she said
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I’m on my phone, it’s hard to read. I’m guessing the point is that Trump is a bad man.
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^ Ha!
finneganm wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:17 am
bubbie wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:22 am
The dude is racist, narcissist, not very smart, etc, etc, but he is not an idiot. He plays his game fairly well.
He’s a gifted charlatan, which parlays very well into being a gifted politician to a group of people that don’t want to overthink his messages.
Yes. And blowing the racist horn and other “distractions” is counter productive, in my opinion. I am not saying it shouldn’t be called out, but it definitely shouldn’t be the main point because those who do not want to overthink his massages don’t particularly care if he is a racist.

AP: Trump v. Dems: ‘Racist’ and ‘socialist’ lines drawn for 2020
Democrats believe Trump’s attacks will have the opposite effect, turning off the suburban voters, particularly women, who helped elect Trump but also turned out for Democrats in last fall and are tiring of it all.
The racist card, particularly with suburban women, is probably not the best choice. I mean they voted for him over a woman, while cheering to the grab-them-by-the-pussy and ban-the-muslims thingies. Doubt they care more about blacks and hispanics, etc than their own kittens.

AP: Trump voters cringe and shrug at tweets while Democrats rage
Bill Brasch greeted President Donald Trump’s latest tweet controversy with a shrug.

He doesn’t believe Trump was being racist for telling four congresswomen, all women of color, to “go back” to the countries they came from. It doesn’t matter much that all four of the women are American citizens, Brasch said the uproar over Trump’s tweet is a distraction and his detractors are “just playing politics.”

“I look at what he’s accomplished and not what he says,” the 58-year-old said during a lunch break at the Wingin’ It bar in this pocket of rural Wisconsin.

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Trump voters who spoke to The Associated Press were a mixture of indifferent, bemused and mildly irritated, saying it comes with the territory in the unconventional Trump presidency. They voiced appreciation for his candor and ability to speak plainly while rejecting that he is a racist. His views on race were not what mattered most to many of them.

“He’s not perfect, for sure. And there are certain things that you don’t like, that I don’t like,” said Yanire Kruiniger, who emigrated from Peru and became a U.S. citizen a dozen years ago. She now lives in Nevada, a state Trump lost in 2016 and is hoping to win next year. Trump had Kruiniger’s vote then, and now.

“You know, we took a chance,” Kruiniger, 53, said from a mall outside Las Vegas, adding that she thinks it paid off, especially because the economy is doing well.

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The 38-year-old in Carlisle, Pennsylvania, voted for Trump in 2016 as a “total wild card” and describes himself as open-minded on how to vote in 2020.

He says he’s long viewed Trump as divisive, going back to Trump’s very first campaign speech when he disparaged Mexican immigrants. Still, Howard isn’t sure whether the tweet was racist: The term itself “gets thrown around so loosely,” he said, and there’s so much outrage on both sides.

The tweet doesn’t change whether he’ll vote for Trump again.

“Time will tell. If the economy is good, I probably will,” Howard said Tuesday while overseeing a historical preservation project on a Civil War monument in the Democratic college town in conservative central Pennsylvania. “If people are lined up in the streets and unemployed, I’ll probably change my mind.”

In suburban Columbus, Ohio, several voters interviewed were less interested in the content of the tweet than their shared wish that the sooner Trump can stop tweeting, the better.

“He shouldn’t be doing it. He needs to be more presidential, stick to the things that matter,” said Scott Wood, a Republican who voted for Trump in 2016 and would need to see a “standout” alternative before he’d vote for someone different next year.

Wood, a 45-year-old IT engineer, served four years as a Marine and said he values Trump’s promise to strengthen the military, fix health care and deal with the “border situation.”

“He’s doing a good job in some of the core areas of our country, but he’s doing a poor job in trying to unite us,” Wood said.

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Some voters interviewed indeed sided with Trump.

Emily Ort, of Lemoyne, Pennsylvania, outside Harrisburg, said she believes Trump was simply telling someone to leave the country if they don’t like it.

“I guess I understand what he’s saying,” said Ort, 38. “If you go into a restaurant and you don’t like their food, are you going to go there again?”

Ort said she believes Trump was just “defending our country.”

Trump says what he thinks, and voters like that and respond to it, said Kathy Kiernan, a Republican activist in Richfield, Wisconsin, located in one of the suburban Milwaukee counties long critical for Republicans but where Democrats hope to make inroads with women.

“I think people are with him, and I don’t think they get into all of this everyday nitpicky stuff, I just don’t think they do,” said Kiernan, who retired after a 30-year career at AT&T. “Do people like all of it? Maybe not necessarily, but what are they supposed to do?”
Yes, yet another one of those “let’s talk to a dozen of randos” or whatever glenn1 calls it stories.

How does the saying go? Nobody ever went broke when underestimating the intelligence of the American people or something like that.
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I’m on my phone, it’s hard to read. I’m guessing the point is that Trump is a bad man.
It's basically one (yes, just one) of his supporters actually realizing once and for all that Dump is a massive piece of shite, the GOP in Washington are his flies and his supporters are MAGAts. And she doesn't want to be a MAGAt any longer.

Yay.
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