America: The Trump Era

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Lawyered!
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That's what she said
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Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:15 am

If only someone could've done something about it or seen it coming.


“It is the hardest thing about my entire time in government to defend,” said a former senior Obama administration official involved in White House deliberations on Russia. “I feel like we sort of choked.”

Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. noted that Russia had a long history of meddling in American elections but that U.S. spy agencies were not ready to “make the call on attribution” for what was happening in 2016.

They were concerned that any pre-election response could provoke an escalation from Putin. Moscow’s meddling to that point was seen as deeply concerning but unlikely to materially affect the outcome of the election.

They also worried that any action they took would be perceived as political interference in an already volatile campaign. By August, Trump was predicting that the election would be rigged. Obama officials feared providing fuel to such claims, playing into Russia’s efforts to discredit the outcome and potentially contaminating the expected Clinton triumph.

Despite the intelligence the CIA had produced, other agencies were slower to endorse a conclusion that Putin was personally directing the operation and wanted to help Trump. “It was definitely compelling, but it was not definitive,” said one senior administration official. “We needed more.”

“The Dems were, ‘Hey, we have to tell the public,’ ” recalled one participant. But Republicans resisted, arguing that to warn the public that the election was under attack would further Russia’s aim of sapping confidence in the system.

Obama confronted Putin directly during a meeting of world leaders in Hangzhou, China. Accompanied only by interpreters, Obama told Putin that “we knew what he was doing and [he] better stop or else,” according to a senior aide who subsequently spoke with Obama.

The assumption that Clinton would win contributed to the lack of urgency.

Election Day arrived without penalty for Moscow.

Despite the dire warnings, there were no meltdowns in the United States’ voting infrastructure on Nov. 8, no evidence of hacking-related fraud, crashing of electronic ballots or ma­nipu­la­tion of vote counts.


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They hacked the DNC and released internal communications, wow.

Russia bought facebook ads and used troll bots, scary stuff.


Maybe next time don't conspire against the leading candidate in your party and then have your Presidential candidate skip campaign rallies in battleground states.
She campaigns in Wisconsin and the FL panhandle she might've won IMO.
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Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:19 am

that might be one of the dumbest, most ill-informed things I've ever read. Bravo!
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chalkdust wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:19 am
that might be one of the dumbest, most ill-informed things I've ever read. Bravo!
It's copy/pasted from Washington Post.

If you're solely referring to my opinion at the bottom, cheers.
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dero316 wrote:
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Maybe next time don't conspire against the leading candidate in your party
MAGAts are special people.

Was The Democratic Primary A Close Call Or A Landslide?
Why it’s easy to underestimate both Clinton’s and Sanders’s accomplishments.


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wa ... landslide/

Keep on downplaying the actual effect that Russian meddling had on the 2016 election results. Please keep it up. It simply reinforces for the rest of us what an utter and complete moron you are.
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Dero on the quick path to a blocking like X. Jesus.
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gorkie wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:45 pm
dero316 wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:15 am
Maybe next time don't conspire against the leading candidate in your party
MAGAts are special people.

Was The Democratic Primary A Close Call Or A Landslide?
Why it’s easy to underestimate both Clinton’s and Sanders’s accomplishments.


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wa ... landslide/

Keep on downplaying the actual effect that Russian meddling had on the 2016 election results. Please keep it up. It simply reinforces for the rest of us what an utter and complete moron you are.


Not a maga'r, the man is a troll to the max. It's easy to post articles that contradict each other because that's what the media does. I'm not registered to either political party and think the 2 party system drags us down.

Moron, nice one.

I read new articles from various media outlets(cnn/fox/bbc/ap/reuters), then come here and check other opinions and post links. Not into calling people names that have different opinions than I do.

CNN asked Senator Elizabeth Warren if Mrs Clinton's contest against Democratic rival Bernie Sanders was rigged, and she said: "Yes."

Ms Brazile herself came under fire last year after the anti-secrecy website Wikileaks released hacked DNC emails that revealed she had notified the Clinton campaign in advance of a question the candidate would be asked by CNN.

Her predecessor at the DNC, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, resigned during the election after her leaked emails appeared to show a co-ordinated effort to aid Mrs Clinton's campaign.




Keep on wasting your time on a previous election rather than focusing on what might win the next one.
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Not a maga'r, the man is a troll to the max.
Nah. You are MAGAt to the core.

You are actually the worst kind of MAGAt. The kind who won't even actually admit to being the true MAGAt that they are.

Deeeerrrrrrrrppppppppppppppp!!

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A great example of how MAGAts operate.
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gorkie wrote:
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You are actually the worst kind of MAGAt. The kind who won't even actually admit to being the true MAGAt that they are.

Deeeerrrrrrrrppppppppppppppp!!

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Maybe just devils advocate to this echo chamber of a thread?
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Gorkie -

Recognizing that there were major flaws in the 2016 Democratic Party's candidate for president does not make someone a Trump supporter. Acknowledging that the party establishment skewed insanely in favor of Mrs. Clinton does not make someone a Trump supporter.

The Democratic Party seriously fudge the bed in 2016. Hilary was a hugely flawed candidate that caused many Democrats to stay home and even Republicans who wouldn't/couldn't vote for Trump to just forget about the presidential election. I always remember that there was a 2 page email from DWS the day Biden formally acknowledged he wasn't going to run that OBVIOUSLY had to have been written well in advance of Biden's bowing out, which IMO is because he had been receiving heavy pressure not to stand in Hilary's way. Again, acknowledging that there was a problem with the way the Democratic Party was operating in 2016 doesn't mean they're some huge Trump supporter.
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Nah.

Everything you said can be true.

But that dude's a MAGAt.
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Ruth Bader Ginsburg Points Out that Brett Kavanaugh Actually Made a Good Kind of History

RBG threw credit to her fellow Supreme Court Justice for his all-female staff of law clerks.


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I always chuckle when people think it’s a surprise or a scandal that the Democratic National Committee preferred a member of the Democratic Party member to be their choice for the Democratic nomination. Not to mention that she was a life long democratic political insider, married to a former democrat potus.

I liked parts of Sanders platform, but no one should be surprised that a private political organization chose to promote one of their own, for better or worse.
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