2020 Elections - A New Hope

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Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:34 pm

If sanders is so overwhelmingly popular he’ll get the nom.

At this point I don’t see Dump wiping the floor with any of the contenders in person except Biden, whom he’d probably lose to anyway.
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:55 pm

gorkie wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:23 pm
to say that Sanders is the ONLY candidate who has a chance of beating Trump is, in my opinion, ridiculous.
I get it and I have no doubt that several of the candidates could easily win the popular vote but that's not gonna do it. I hope I'm wrong tho.
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:02 pm

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I respect that and I get where you are coming from but imo that's a bunch of tired old conventional wisdom...the stuff that MSM likes to fart out on a daily basis. Many of those "old/scared/angry/mostly white voters (who already vote)" are a lost cause. Stop chasing them. Concentrate on the people who don't vote because they are tired of politicians who do nothing for them. If the dems want to have any chance of winning in 2020 they are going to need to turn out the vote in record numbers. Imo, Bernie Sanders is the only candidate who has a chance at beating Trump. Why? Because he crushes the youth vote and he's been busy building a giant grassroots, multiracial, working-class coalition. Bernie has received a record breaking number of individual donations and his top donors are teachers, Wal-Mart & Amazon employees, nurses, police officers i.e. regular folk. I think he has the best shot at winning the midwest/rust belt states because of his appeal to the working class. In '16 he won MI, WI, MN, KS, OK etc. Sure, he'll be labeled a scary socialist and that will stick for about 5-10 min until he explains his positions to the people who don't know any better just like he did at the Fox News Town Hall (much to the chagrin of the host's who's gotcha republican talking points failed miserably.) I think he would destroy Trump at a debate. As I've posted several times before, his progressive policies poll extremely high with people regardless of party. In a lot of ways Trump's message in 2016 was very similar to Bernie's; he was the outsider with a strong disdain for the corrupt establishment (drain the swap!). He was the brash, anti-politician with a strong populist message, the one who would fight for the little guy and couldn't be bought off. Of course, Trump is a complete fraud. Bernie is the real deal and his strength is his authenticity. You can't say that about any of the other candidates running at the moment. They all have glaring weaknesses. I like Warren...a lot...but she has an authenticity problem (Pocahontas for starters) and I'm not sure if small town USA is ready to get behind an elitist Harvard professor who has a plan for them. Mayor Pete may be the second coming of Obama to upper-class, educated, white libs but how's he gonna win with 0% of the black vote? Biden's chances were slim to begin with and his boy Hunter pretty much proved they are the swamp. I suspect Biden's polling is artificially high because people aren't paying attention yet and he's got the name recognition #thanksobama.

Also, Bloomberg is a Sanders asset. He's just gonna dilute the Biden, Butt and possibly Warren vote.

This is just my take.
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:48 pm

Counting on people who have never voted to actually vote is going to lead to an inevitable conclusion.

Maybe *this* time it’s different. But it never is.
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:03 pm

These are interesting times. That is all I can say.
And by interesting I mean fukkking pathetic.
I am horrified thinking about what 5 more years of Dump is going to do to our country, to our allies and to the planet.
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:51 pm

I'd agree. I don't think that Sanders is the only candidate that can beat Trump. (In fact, I think he's probably the only Democratic front runner that definitely cannot be Trump). But the idea that democrats are sunk if they don't nominate candidate x (which is Biden or Bloomberg, or someone else the far right of the Democratic party or far left of the Republican party thinks they can stomach) is absurd at this point. This is the same conventional wisdom that said that Reagan was unelectable in 1980, that H. Clinton was a much better candidate in 2008, and that (back to the right) the Republicans would never actually nominate Trump in 2016.
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:52 am

So let me get this straight, she's gonna mop the floor with Trump and FoxNews but she can't even keep her composure with Amy Goodman? Mmmkay. The unwillingness to listen to the complete question, and the inability to answer it...not a good look.
Warren 2020 - "Look, I'm just a player in the game!" :roll:
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:06 pm

There is literally nothing about the above on Warren that bothers me. Nothing.
The person posting that is trying to create a story from nothing. And her “I’m just a player in the game” is a perfectly acceptable answer. She doesn’t control the way the political timing/process rolls out.
And she got a ton of applause at the end.
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:15 pm

One Year From Election, Trump Trails Biden but Leads Warren in Battlegrounds

Signs that the president’s advantage in the Electoral College has persisted or even increased since 2016.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytime ... s.amp.html
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:31 pm

gorkie wrote:
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There is literally nothing about the above on Warren that bothers me. Nothing.
The person posting that is trying to create a story from nothing. And her “I’m just a player in the game” is a perfectly acceptable answer. She doesn’t control the way the political timing/process rolls out.
And she got a ton of applause at the end.
She handled that terribly imo. Is she going to get all pissy every time she gets asked a challenging question that she doesn't have a plan for? Why is she so hostile? And to fudge on Amy Goodman of all people. Luls.

Warren is building quite the snippet library of moments like this. I guess it's easy to get flustered when you only half-believe in what your selling and you have to carefully calculate every answer. She's still my #2 and I don't feel great about it.
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:50 pm

I still think the people that the Dems need to win the next election are voters who are possibly going to vote for Biden, but would never ever vote for Warren or Sanders.
We need electoral college votes not more popular votes in states that are already typically blue.
But if Sanders or Warren get it, I will be thrilled to be proven wrong on this.
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:13 pm

Agreed, the electoral college is all that matters. Maybe I'm wrong but I really don't take any of the Biden polling seriously. He's a front-runner because it's early and he is a recognizable name. I talk to people all the time who haven't watched any of the debates and won't until it gets down to a handful candidates. I think for people who don't pay attention it's easy to say Biden because "...he's at the top of the polls so he must be the best, right?" Bloomberg has figured this out as has Mayor Pete. When people eventually tune in and see the horror show that is Joe Biden they'll be scrambling for an alternative.
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:17 pm

Thank God our country is much more diverse than just people who would call a lifelong dedicated Democrat like Joe Biden a “horror show””.

I mean, really.
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:28 pm

It should come down to the nominee’s VP choice.
So, Sanders wins and chooses Warren, it’s over for trump trash.
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