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Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:13 am

desch wrote:
Now, before we go any further, I just have to state the obvious and say that beers are always thrown during championship parades. Especially in Boston (stares at Gronk) and they’re usually welcome. Sometimes players will drink them.
Fuggin, Gronk ... I hope the guy can walk when he's 40 (because of his back, not the beer).

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Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:26 am

desch wrote:Since we’re talking about thrown beers...

Dear Yankees fans who know how to read: STOP THROWING BEER AT PEOPLE
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In the past week, the Yankees have won two playoff games and lost three. They’re going home, but that doesn’t matter. Nor does the fact it happened at the hands of their dreaded rivals. Nor anything else really. Win or lose, the result has been the same: Following every game this postseason, Yankees fans—riders of 27 Word Series coattails and the sports equivalent of a My Super Sweet 16 birthday celebrant—have gone completely, unequivocally feral.
But this year has seen the advent of an even more charming trend: Throwing $12 dollar beers. At opposing fans. At opposing players. At their own mothers if they accidentally brought Diet Coke instead of the regular swill down to their lightless basement lairs.
Some classic videos embedded in the article. 8)
I absolutely agree with you. I heard about it the day after the wild card game. I denounced it then and I'll denounce it again now. That guy should be banned IMO. That's not how Yankees fans conduct themselves. Idiot and gives the rest of us a bad name.
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Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:18 pm

Irishman it sucks when fan bases act badly, I mean really badly. I still can’t get over those fans at Fenway who hurled racial epithets at Adam Jones. Here’s to people not acting like Neanderthals when attending any sports event (wishful thinking I know!).
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Awards finalists...

AL Rookie of the Year:
Gleyber Torres, 2B, Yankees – .271/.340/.820, 24 HR, 77 RBI
Miguel Andujar, 3B, Yankees – .297/.328/.855, 27 HR, 92 RBI
Shohei Ohtani, DH/SP, Angels – .285/.361/.925, 22 HR, 61 RBI | Pitching: 51 2/3 IP, 3.31 ERA, 63 SO

NL Rookie of the Year:
Ronald Acuna Jr., OF, Braves – .293/.366/.917, 26 HR, 64 RBI
Juan Soto, 2B, Nationals – .292/.406/.923, 22 HR, 70 RBI
Walker Buehler, SP, Dodgers – 137.1 IP, 2.62 ERA, 151 SO

AL Manager of the Year:
Kevin Cash, Rays – 90 wins, no playoff appearance
Alex Cora, Red Sox – 108 wins, World Series champion
Bob Melvin A's – 97 wins, AL Wild Card appearance

NL Manager of the Year:
Bud Black, Rockies – 91 wins, NLDS appearance
Craig Counsell, Brewers – 96 wins, NLCS appearance
Brian Snitker Braves – 90 wins, NLDS appearance

AL Cy Young:
Corey Kluber, SP, Indians – 215 IP, 2.89 ERA, 222 SO
Blake Snell, SP, Rays – 180 IP, 1.89 ERA, 221 SO
Justin Verlander, SP, Astros – 214 IP, 2.52 ERA, 290 SO

NL Cy Young:
Jacob deGrom, SP, Mets – 217 IP, 1.70 ERA, 269 SO
Aaron Nola, SP, Phillies – 212 1/3 IP, 2.37 ERA, 224 SO
Max Scherzer, SP, Nationals – 220 2/3 IP, 2.53 ERA, 300 SO

AL MVP:
Mookie Betts, OF, Red Sox – .346/.438/1.078, 32 HR, 80 RBI
Jose Ramirez, 3B, Indians – .270/.387/.939, 38 HR, 105 RBI
Mike Trout, OF, Angels – .312/.460/1.088, 39 HR, 79 RBI​

NL MVP:
Christian Yelich, OF, Brewers – .326/.402/1.000, 36 HR, 110 RBI
Nolan Arenado, 3B, Rockies – .297/.374/.935, 38 HR, 110 RBI
Javier Baez, IF, Cubs – .290/.326/.881, 34 HR, 111 RBI​
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:20 pm

Rumor is the Indians might make Carlos Carrasco and/or Corey Kluber available. The Yankees would be interested if they're available but I'm wondering what kind of haul Cleveland would look to get in return? Carrasco is under contract for 2019 and has a team option for 2020 as well. Kluber's the same however he has team options for 2020 and 2021. While I'd love to see the Yankees get either (or both) again, it depends on what they'd have to give up.
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:53 pm

Hoping the cards put in a decent offer for Kluber, he would make a nice ace for all the young guys to follow
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:55 pm

Ludicrous that JD Martinez was left off the finalist vote for AL MVP. I guess with Mike Trout we’re taking into account past accomplishments over current year performance?
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:41 pm

desch wrote:Ludicrous that JD Martinez was left off the finalist vote for AL MVP. I guess with Mike Trout we’re taking into account past accomplishments over current year performance?
Seriously, MLB sure loves Trout.
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desch wrote:Ludicrous that JD Martinez was left off the finalist vote for AL MVP. I guess with Mike Trout we’re taking into account past accomplishments over current year performance?
An MVP must contribute on defense which JD does not do to the extent Trout does. JD simply does not have that dimension to his game.

Past performances? Did you watch the same season I did? Trout had a GREAT year in 2018. .312/39/79/101 slash plus he lead the league in walks (122 with a league leading 25 intentional), OBP (.460) and OPS (1.088). Add 24 stolen bases to that and it looks like an MVP season to me. Better than his MVP season in 2016 (in which he beat Betts). Plus, he dramatically improved his defense and was nominated for a Gold Glove. And all of this was done while he missed a month of the season on the DL and with no one on base ahead of him.

An MVP must be a complete player. Not just a great hitter. JD had a great year, but he didn't contribute in as many ways as Trout did.
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:46 am

But it's not the "best all around ballplayer award". An MVP just has to be the most valuable player on a team. You can be that with 'just' the bat (or pitching arm) alone.
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:43 am

fredo wrote:But it's not the "best all around ballplayer award". An MVP just has to be the most valuable player on a team. You can be that with 'just' the bat (or pitching arm) alone.
Jd isn’t even the mvp of his own team (betts). Maybe that’s why... too many stars on same squad.
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:20 am

I think some people would say that maybe JD is the MVP over Betts. At any rate it should be for the voters to decide.

Also, too many stars from a team? Why are there two Yankees up for ROY using that logic? Only one can be ROY; but both are worthy of consideration. Same with JD as MVP. For god sakes the dude came within just a few stat totals of winning the Triple Crown! First overall in MLB for RBIs, second in BA for all of MLB and second in all of MLB for HR totals.

I’ll make the case that if the Red Sox hadn’t acquired JD the offense would have been not much different than last years iteration which was pretty mediocre. His impact of “not playing defense” was far more influential to the Red Sox and how they got to the playoffs than what Trout did this year; and that for an extremely mediocre Angels team. Also, Betts probably doesn’t have his MVP caliber year if JD doesn’t stroll into town.

Lastly, JD is one of those players that has an inestimable impact on a ball club by how he approaches and research’s pitchers weaknesses and by extension spends a lot of time helping other batters on the Red Sox improve their game. Maybe a Trout does that as well but I haven’t heard of him In that role for the Angels. Officially that probably isn’t something that MVP voters look at, but they should.

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We can all agree to disagree, but I believe that JD was more impactful to his teams performance than either Trout or Ramirez regardless whether he played defense everyday or not. What Fredo said.

Ps having said all that, Mookie probably edges out JD for MVP even in my book, but some people think he’s probably the second best player in MLB for 2018; not the 4th or 5th best player. Which means he should be a finalist.
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:49 am

Mookie > Trout > JD > Jose.
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:18 am

Wasn't expecting him to win, but thought Flaherty should have made the top 3 in NL ROY, but guess those last couple of games hurt his stats.
In comparison:
Walker Buehler, SP, Dodgers – 137.1 IP, 2.62 ERA, 151 SO
Jack Flaherty, SP, Cardinals - 151.0 IP, 3.34 ERA, 182 SO

Remove his last 3 appearances and IP & ERA would be about the same, Cardinals just pushed him too much in that playoff push.
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:21 am

if that's the case then let's take out Severino's last 12 starts and let him win AL Cy Young 8)
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