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Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:15 pm

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danebp wrote:Interesting read so far...
Certainly seems like it would be an interesting read, though I also assume he'd show a complete lack of self-awareness/criticism.

Why would you assume that? He's an economist... an academic. Not a politician.
It just doesn't sound helpful at all to have his take on the collapse presented without a critical element.
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Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:14 pm

fredo wrote:
optimusGRRR wrote:
maozilla wrote:
danebp wrote:Interesting read so far...
Certainly seems like it would be an interesting read, though I also assume he'd show a complete lack of self-awareness/criticism.

Why would you assume that? He's an economist... an academic. Not a politician.
It just doesn't sound helpful at all to have his take on the collapse presented without a critical element.
It's a biography. Dafuq?
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Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:25 pm

The Red and the Black by Stendhal
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Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:37 pm

optimusGRRR wrote:
fredo wrote:
It just doesn't sound helpful at all to have his take on the collapse presented without a critical element.
It's a biography. Dafuq?
Not exactly.
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Sat Nov 21, 2015 9:53 pm

fredo wrote:
optimusGRRR wrote:
fredo wrote:
It just doesn't sound helpful at all to have his take on the collapse presented without a critical element.
It's a biography. Dafuq?
Not exactly.
Although its surprising to see on the internet, I'm not sure you know what you're talking about.
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Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:00 am

We'll get over it.
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not super into it kinda a transpanty name dropping story
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Sun Nov 22, 2015 4:02 pm

I've recommended this book before and will do so again, one last time.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Sovereign-Ind ... 0684832720

Please do not think you know what this book is about because you skimmed the blurb. It has nothing to do with the sovereign citizens movement. One day you may be very grateful for having read it. This is not a fun book or Nostradamus crystal-balling. Bring your thinking cap. This book charts the course of human civilization over the next century as convincingly as anything I've read of this sort. It is repetitive at times, infuriatingly wonky, and slow to draw conclusions. But when the conclusions are finally formulated, they are breathtaking.

Essentially the authors argued in 1999, when the book was published, that human societies were on the verge of a paradigm shift away from the long reign of the sovereign state. Through a combination of social forces powered by technological change and economic turmoil (primarily triggered by excessive debt [or simply the perception thereof, thanks to fredo for that insight]), sovereign states in the coming decades will become increasingly obsolete, soon falling into "disrepair" and concluding in the eventual collapse of state authority around the globe. Not through the actions of any individual or group, but simply as a matter of course.

The collapse of the USSR. Constant stress on the ties that bind the Euro Zone. Greece. Afghanistan. Iraq. Yemen. Syria. Venezuela. Argentina's fiscal crisis. Rapidly rising factionalism in the USA. Accelerating technological change hand-in-hand with skyrocketing national debt, around the globe.

Read this book.
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Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:04 pm

Debt isn't real though. Or it's only as real as it's made to be.
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Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:05 pm

fredo, you should read this book. You might disagree with some of it, as do I, but you will be interested.

If you do, let me know-
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Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:08 pm

fredo wrote:Debt isn't real though.
Bigger question: must debt be actual to trigger problems, or merely a perception?
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Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:11 pm

Comparing assets vs. debt, USA is doing great. But if creditors decide some arbitrary point gets passed and...Greece.

We can ignore this fact, but we do it at our risk.
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Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:43 pm

1000steps wrote:USA is doing great. But if creditors decide some arbitrary point gets passed and...Greece.
There is no arbitrary anything on earth as we now know it short of a Sharknado situation that puts those two countries in the same fiscal universe.
Anyway I read up on the book and it won't make the cut for the same reasons The Long Emergency didn't.
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haven wrote:
HappaHaoli wrote:Just finished these...
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How was this?
I thought it was very good.

I never realized people died smuggling centifuges
out of Iran or North Korea to help develop targeted attacks for those
specific models. Sadly we were too conserative in the
tempo of the attacks so their sacrifice doesn't feel justified.
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