selenite wrote:danieldanger wrote:put the other peoples toys away
Just don't act like you're above it, dude — you're way too high up on your horse. If you hadn't reached the mondo masses with Star Wars, Star Trek, Lost and a ton of "other peoples toys" properties, you wouldn't still be drawing ambiguously-titled pictures of ghost nurses in old houses for anybody. People around here don't want to hear a new band playing originals, they just want covers of songs they've already heard.
And don't forget who started the company that pays you to draw movie posters. Doyled.
well Mr '12 Art Historian, the reason i got asked to do mondo posters, including the famous mondo LOST posters* curated by Mondo founder Tim Doyle**, is because i had already been doing just fine doing my own original work. my personal art prints have outsold my licensed work 20 to 1 easy, because thats what i do and have always done and thats whats most important to me. the mondo stuff are ok paying jobs, theyre decent promotion, and i certainly owe them for the some nudges over the years and ALOT of really good times; but if you think a 10 year full time art career, including a running series of sold out gallery shows, was founded on a
handful of mondo posters (i actually havent done that many) i was at best decently happy with (pyschos dope, cowboysvsaliens was wack), you really have no idea how hard an arts career actually is. if i never drew another licensed job for a movie property, or tv show, id be fine, because ive spent 10 years hustlin hustlin every day with my ghost nurses. its fun, but id just spend the time doing my own thing. but obviously, yes, at some point im probably going to draw Batman on the roof of Joannes Fabrics & Crafts, because why the fu<k would you not?
anyways, now that the kids are asleep.
the core of that last response was not "HE DOES POP CULTURE STUFF AND THATS BAD!!!", we all do it now and then because pop culture is the universal language. its impossible to not speak in star wars quotes and not want to put chris pratt on a dinosaur or batman on the roof of IKEA*** because that shits hilarious,
when youre taking something culturally eternal and turning it on its head. (for what its worth tim, ive been vocal to olly and mitchell personally on the subject of being too 'heres that thing you like!') ...its simply that comparing/applying doyles business model to my own is pointless, because theres more to his model than 'i keep everything in print, and you can too!'. pretty easy to estimate that over 90% of his recent work is direct reference pop culture (according to flipping through a few pages of his section here on EB), and a fairly large proportion of that isnt licensed or official. thats a huge part of why the business model "works", because its not hard to sell unofficial Dr Who and Star Wars merch to a world that loves Dr Who and Star Wars when you dont have to answer to Corporate Dr Who or Star Wars. i dont mean to sound overly high-horse or critical, but the fact is that the roads been paved. but as mentioned, i would simply be curious what would happen if Tim took a year and focused on playing in his own world, his own characters and narratives, because i feel his original personal work art prints have always been his strongest. it very much could still reference and evoke pop culture, because its obviously a language he speaks with, but at its core be its own thing.
[*official lost posters were curated by 1988, the gallery that gave me a sold out gallery show of my personal work before that print, and two more after.]
[** putnam'd & danger'd ]
[*** the back half of those prints were thrown in a dumpster outside SDCC, true story.]
