How screwed will we be if....

[fredo]

Agreed.

[Pezlar]

Well, sorry, but I don't belong to a union so I need to do some work. I'll catch up a little later

[mobius006]

What about the business that agrees to the unrealistic packages? I'd say both the union and company benefit from those deals, as the company avoids paying higher wages and the unions can keep the dues in escrow to use as they please. This fucks the worker, ultimately, because pensions can be taken away- weekly wages cannot (until the job is gone...but then the pension is gone, too). Better to bargain for wages and medical benefits instead of long term, non-guaranteed welfare plans that turn into enormous slush funds for union bosses.

Except the general practice seems to be spend everything one makes as fast as it's earned (or faster) and then we're left with "Help me, I didn't prepare for life after work and it isn't fair that I should have to work at my age." We have all made valid points and questionable points. It really does go back to being personally responsible, for the most part. Are there exceptions, of course. But they are exceptions, not the rule IMO.

I agree with being personally responsible. Since getting hired on at my job (while in college) I've been using the 401k program. I understand that in 50 years when I retire I doubt SS will be there. Again I know im lucky with where I work and to be at a place with good labor practices.

[mobius006]

‎"But my college kid, the baby sitters, the nails ladies—everybody who's got the right to vote—they don't understand what's going on. I just think if you're lower income—one, you're not as educated, two, they don't understand how it works, they don't understand how the systems work, they don't understand the impact."


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/democrats-seize-romney-donor-quote-cast-gop-touch-201050825.html

[ChefFerrari]

My best friend and I argue about politics endlessly. He hates them all as I do but he never says a bad word about repukelicans. So I ask him today "Do think the failed policies of the bush administration have any bearing on the number of people on food stamps currently ? "

His answer "no"

Feel free to provide with ammo for the discussion. At this point though I feel there is no way to have a good discussion if his state of mind is such a state of denial or ignorance that he can't see what is really happened and continues to believe all the brainwashing bullshit put out be the likes of fox and rush

[turnJBup]

Bush didn't fail. They got super rich and dismantled the middle class just like we said was going to happen.
Mission accomplished. Easy to do in the most ignorant country in the world.
People actually think the economy is Obama's fault... just today Faux tried to say he hates small business.
This is a place full of stupid drymounting sheep... we got off easy considering.

[Pezlar]

My best friend and I argue about politics endlessly. He hates them all as I do but he never says a bad word about repukelicans. So I ask him today "Do think the failed policies of the bush administration have any bearing on the number of people on food stamps currently ? "

His answer "no"

Sure Bush's policies have something to do with it. He accelerated the pace toward big government.

Bush didn't fail. They got super rich and dismantled the middle class just like we said was going to happen.
Mission accomplished. Easy to do in the most ignorant country in the world.
People actually think the economy is Obama's fault... just today Faux tried to say he hates small business.
This is a place full of stupid drymounting sheep... we got off easy considering.

Then Obama kicked it into super-hyper mega government spending. To help? No, as a power grab. The one thing I do agree with this quote, the U.S. probably is the most ignorant country in the world as long as one person can think Obama has done a single thing that warrants a second term. I know, I know the quadrupling of the national debt is Bush's fault. Everything will be his fault for all time. He sucked, big time, and Obama makes him look good. We haven't gotten off yet the destruction of the country is only now really beginning.

[john38103]

The one thing I do agree with this quote, the U.S. probably is the most ignorant country in the world as long as one person can think Obama has done a single thing that warrants a second term.

If you want just one, I'll give an easy one that you should respect, he got Bin Laden.

I know, I know the quadrupling of the national debt is Bush's fault.

The debt hasn't quadrupled under Obama. Facts are verifiable.

We haven't gotten off yet the destruction of the country is only now really beginning.

I'm real sick of pussies crying about the destruction of the country or taking their country back. It's idiotic bullshit. Take some personal responsibility for making things better. Whiny little bitch.

[gorkie]

I think if Jesus Christ came down and analyzed who Obama is and what he stands for and is trying to do and who Romney is and what he stands for and is trying to do, I think he would kick Romney off the face of the Earth and choose Obama.

Pretty darn sure of that. Just my opionion obviously. I'm sure others will disagree.

No, I'm not even close to being one of those WWJD people, I'm just saying - mostly because it's fun to.

[turnJBup]

Agree... pretty hilarious that evangelicals are backing a filthy rich mormon, and ready to hang the black man attempting to take care of this nations poor.

[virtualmert]

If you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.

[misterx]

A view from across the pond:

I think the American populace , like other western countries including mine,have been tricked into believing that we are democracies. Yes we vote, but are we really voting for Change when we choose the other camp?

When Obama became POTUS I cried...genuine tears of joy that the world would be a better place now that Bush was gone( remember the election he STOLE !!??);less meddling in other countries affairs(i.e..no more illegal invasions of Sovereign countries); lots less civilian "casualties" and hopefully an end to the torture and cruelty being dumped ad hoc around the world...no more wars, with our/your troops no longer risking their lives for corporations in hostile climes...

How wrong I was..how easily I/we were tricked. Giving the POTUS to a black man was a masterstroke, but the final result leaves me shaking my head in disbelief.He has carried on his predecessor’s attack on civil liberties, bailed out the banks instead of jailing the bankers, failed to fight for a public option to healthcare, kowtowed to the Zionists, and used drones to kill (mostly) civilians...no trials, no jury just Obama, sat in his Oval Office every Tuesday morning, pouring over who should live and who should die .Bush would never have been able to scale up the Wars and use drone killings because he had lost the support of the public and the International community, but Obama, promising to change everything Bush had done, and restore America's Moral Compass( Nation Building I think he called it..) was perfect. Obama's not Bush lite...he's Bush x2, and his actions speak volumes, unless you think Waterboarding is better than being killed by a Hellfire Missile fired from an unmanned drone being controlled 1000's of miles away... then all is sweet n' good.

Theres no IF's about this....we are screwed. Period.

[turnJBup]

He has quietly done some good... better than the last- better than the alternative.
Romney and Obama neck in neck before Romney has chosen a VP is scary.
He chooses a respected woman and it could be over.

[misterx]

Quietly done some good? Really?

Domestically, I take your word on it as I don't follow too closely,but internationally he has been a colossal failure with a capital F.
And, unbelievably to me, he has more blood on his hands than Bush...thats not sooo good.

[mobius006]

Rush Limbaugh thinks Bane is meant to be Mitt Romney....

http://youtu.be/Exm3gApFgPY