Flattening prints

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Postby wmd on Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:55 am

summoner wrote:My only issue with using a display board like that would be possibly getting two creases down the middle of the print where the front two panels come together.


I'll let you know of any issues in that area (I'm still flattening that same print today, plus I added a couple more on top with craft paper between). I don't think a few phone books are heavy enough to crease the gaplines.

They're weighty enough to flatten, but not so much as to damage.
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Postby kryptonite on Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:51 pm

Got a big block of wood on 8 prints sandwiched between Kraft paper. Not flattening, been a while.

How much humidity would help with this? Obviously I assume too much is bad, so I want to make sure I get the right amount. Also, how long should I leave the humidifier on? 14hrs/day okay?

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Postby Jah on Sat Apr 07, 2012 3:32 pm

Was just wondering, what about prints that have embossed pieces on them, like Emek and Horkeys, if you put to much weight on to flatten I suppose you would be in danger of ruining the embossing
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Postby iambillyg on Sat Apr 07, 2012 3:53 pm

Jah wrote:Was just wondering, what about prints that have embossed pieces on them, like Emek and Horkeys, if you put to much weight on to flatten I suppose you would be in danger of ruining the embossing


Not if you use weights from the link in my sig. ;)
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Postby kryptonite on Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:52 pm

kryptonite wrote:Got a big block of wood on 8 prints sandwiched between Kraft paper. Not flattening, been a while.

How much humidity would help with this? Obviously I assume too much is bad, so I want to make sure I get the right amount. Also, how long should I leave the humidifier on? 14hrs/day okay?

Cheers.


Anyone have an idea? Dealing with moisture is scary!
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Postby electrachrome on Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:59 pm

kryptonite wrote:Anyone have an idea? Dealing with moisture is scary!

the only professional guideline I can give you is an ideal museum climate is around 42% relative humidity (rh).
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Postby sixstringer on Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:07 pm

kryptonite wrote:Got a big block of wood on 8 prints sandwiched between Kraft paper. Not flattening, been a while.


2PC MAT BOARD
1 CLEAN/DRY IRON

Sandwich 1 print at a time between mat board and iron on it's very lowest setting. It should flatten those stubborn prints. I bought a drymount press on ebay and have used it for this with no issues. Just keep the heat low!
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Postby kryptonite on Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:39 pm

electrachrome wrote:
kryptonite wrote:Anyone have an idea? Dealing with moisture is scary!

the only professional guideline I can give you is an ideal museum climate is around 42% relative humidity (rh).


Thanks—I looked up flattening w/ humidity online and decided not to try it. Far too many things that can go wrong.

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kryptonite wrote:Got a big block of wood on 8 prints sandwiched between Kraft paper. Not flattening, been a while.


2PC MAT BOARD
1 CLEAN/DRY IRON

Sandwich 1 print at a time between mat board and iron on it's very lowest setting. It should flatten those stubborn prints. I bought a drymount press on ebay and have used it for this with no issues. Just keep the heat low!


Thanks, bud. Flattening two prints at once right now. If that doesn't work I'll give this a try. Do you think there's any issue with leaving prints laying on top of each other (not flattening) between Kraft paper for two months? I figure flattening two prints may take two weeks.

Thanks guys :)
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Postby lukin321 on Mon May 07, 2012 3:59 pm

Ok, so here's a noobish question since I want to try something different. Is it more the weight on top of a print or the position that you keep it in that makes the difference in how quickly something gets flattened. Currently I have a shit ton of books on top of a multi layered foam core sandwich and it works ok. I've seen people mention just holding the foam board together with binder clips but not using any direct weight. Does this work as well?
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Postby mistersmith on Mon May 07, 2012 4:24 pm

lukin321 wrote:Ok, so here's a noobish question since I want to try something different. Is it more the weight on top of a print or the position that you keep it in that makes the difference in how quickly something gets flattened. Currently I have a shit ton of books on top of a multi layered foam core sandwich and it works ok. I've seen people mention just holding the foam board together with binder clips but not using any direct weight. Does this work as well?


I don't think weight is a super issue. The thing that makes paper want to be rolled is the paper fibers get used to laying that way. Over time, they'll prefer to lay straight again, so long as they are straight. Weight can speed that up I guess, but forcing the issue can't be as good for paper as just letting it do its thing. Being flat will make them flat.

Related: I always let the print chill on its own for a few days before weighing it down at all. Just take it out of the tube and put it somewhere safe, as-is. Over a few days you'll see it "open up," then I weigh it/sandwich it/etc. Probably better for the paper but much easier to handle (and really helps prevent those border "dimples" that happen from your finger and thumb holding the thing flat as it wants to roll back up).
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Postby lukin321 on Mon May 07, 2012 4:27 pm

Thanks Chris that makes sense. I should have mentioned that I typically get a book on each corner right out of the tube and let them flatten for a day or two before moving them to the epic flattening station. So they wouldn't be going into the foam core sammy wanting to roll very much. I'm going to play around with it and see how it works out.
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Postby camaroz06 on Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:33 pm

What gymnastic technique to you guys like to use to sandwich the prints that like to curl a bit even after sitting out for a few weeks? Usually I lay down foamcore, put down glassine, put the print on the glassine, weight it in the corners, lay down another piece of glassine on top the print, move the weights on top the glassine to hold the "glassine sandwich" down, and then slide another piece of foamcore over the glassine sandwich pushing the weights off as it slides. Anyone have a less tedious method?
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Postby kryptonite on Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:06 pm

Weight really doesn't do anything. Had like 60-80 pounds of MDF on top of my foamcore sandwich for THREE weeks and it did nothing. Left my prints lay flat with nothing on them for a while...only a little bit of curve. Just gotta put light poster weights on now and they'll be fine.

So odd!
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Postby KennyRE317 on Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:49 pm

kryptonite wrote:Weight really doesn't do anything. Had like 60-80 pounds of MDF on top of my foamcore sandwich for THREE weeks and it did nothing. Left my prints lay flat with nothing on them for a while...only a little bit of curve. Just gotta put light poster weights on now and they'll be fine.

So odd!

after messing with a few different options I've also found it to be better with weights or books on just the corner rather than in a huge sandwich with a lot of weight on top
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Postby jlsc on Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:59 pm

Just bought my first print and found this post extremely helpful. Thanks everyone.
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