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by **zombiedictator** on Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:16 am

Okay, so a lot of decisions when it comes to buying and selling on here based just as much on the trustworthiness of the seller/buyer as much as the deal itself. That being said, I'm a bit....confused as to how that works around here.

So you've basically got two types of data: feedback and sales. Feedback seems to be totally unregulated where you request from someone to give you feedback for whatever the reason. The problem I have with feedback is that frankly, it's kind of hidden on here. Heck, even the feedback page doesn't follow the same layout as the rest of the site. On top of that, you have to request it and it doesn't have to be based off anything. Let's say I see something in my wanted list that someone is selling for cash. We work out a deal and I send him the money. Now, he can mark the item as sold on this date for this price, but what do I have to show that I am a good buyer that isn't trying to screw him by either saying I want a print and never paying, or maybe lying and saying I never got it in the mail, etc etc? On top of that, how come he can mark it as sold, but it doesn't ask for any details to confirm that data like who it sold it to to make them confirm it? What is to stop me from listing 100 prints as sold just to artificially inflate my numbers since there is no confirmation? Everything is on the honor system and you can fake your sales data, but buyers have to request feedback and when they get it it is kind of hidden.

Now, ignoring that for a little bit, what about when sales are more favors and not really sales in the truest sense? I was a poster buddy for 4 people here buying a TON of stuff for them. I sold it for sticker plus my expenses to mail it to them. If I bought 20 prints for 4 people, would you consider that 4 sales or 20? Should my favor sales be counted the same way as normal sales even though they deflate the value?

I know I'm all over the map here, but I'm curious to see how I should be using the site to make sure people are trustworthy, for people to know I'm trustworthy by making them aware of my past good deeds, and to help improve the whole system.

by **clem99** on Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:21 am

its very much an honour system, there is nothing to stop anyone taking advantage of the system, there are certain times when others might smell a rat

by **zombiedictator** on Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:32 am

clem99 wrote:its very much an honour system, there is nothing to stop anyone taking advantage of the system, there are certain times when others might smell a rat

In my poster buddy situation, I bet if you looked at my sales details I would look shady as Hell.

Let's see, 11 "sales" on the same day, all sold at the original cost of the print? Yeah, that's shady as Heck on paper.

by **aahnutz** on Sat Jul 23, 2011 10:24 am

Good for you for hooking up a few buddies.
I add all my sales. Doesn't matter if it's around the EB average (or more) or if I sold it for pennies just because I was tired of looking at it.
A sale is a sale. You could always include a note. Add 'em.

by **electrachrome** on Sat Jul 23, 2011 10:44 am

I'll add to this.
the sales data is JUST that. it's a record of reported sales and sales tracked on eBay. it is not "what an item is worth per say, but with enough input data, an average "value" can be inferred.
I am an advocate of reporting all sales, both hook-ups and flips.

by **FlapJack** on Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:20 am

electrachrome wrote:I am an advocate of reporting all sales, both hook-ups and flips.

agreed - hookups should count just as much as someone getting take advantage of on ebay

by **recycler** on Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:22 am

Yes, Expressobeans isn't responsible for a bad member, you will have to take that up with paypal.

Not sure what you are talking about hidden feedback, just click a member and then feedback tab and it's all there. Yes, sales can be manufactured. Feedback is probably pretty valid though.

by **mtarail** on Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:26 am

Feedback is good, but I think this
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=7526

is another very good place to find out about trustworthy people. Just put the EB'ers name in the search term and if anyone took the time to recommend them in that thread, it'll show up. It's not a perfect way to figure out if the dude your dealing with is trustworthy. Nothing is perfect. But if an EB'er that you trust took the time to say something good about the EB'er your thinking about doing business with in that thread, that's a good sign.

by **Illmatick** on Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:36 pm

sometimes when you request feedback, it goes to the memebers junk mail folder and they don't see it (ie. reg. email, not PM on EB)...I have had a few memebers ask me to check it an there it was...same when a members requests feeback from you...and def. wait until you get the print/tube before you leave feedback

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