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Postby finneganm on Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:09 pm

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Postby 35mmpaul on Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:11 pm

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Postby michaelmillichamp on Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:38 pm

RottenAtom wrote:I'm in the "Get Out is good but overrated and unworthy of these nominations especially Best Picture, Director, and Actor" category. Solid, clever flick but Best Picture? Come on... #OscarsSoProgressive #OscarsOvercompensating #AffirmativeAction (is that last one a bit much? Yeah, probably. But kind of seems that way... this is the flipside to #OscarsSoWhite)

So because one movie that revolved around a black protagonist gets some noms, it's now the flipside of OscarsSoWhite? Oof...
RottenAtom wrote:I wish Peele's nom went to Villeneuve, Speilberg, or Sean Baker (all who are far more deserving, imo).

The Post was Speilberg on Auto-pilot and brought nothing unique or flavorful to a straight shot movie. Peele definitely deserved the nom.
RottenAtom wrote:The Academy used to not give a damn about people's opinions of the noms/winners and due to the recent backlash (mostly from people who are not cinephiles) it feels like they're going with the popular (or the perceived progressive) choice too often instead of honoring the most deserving. Just give it a few years and one of these Disneyfied Star Wars movies will probably get nominated for Best Picture.

Well major institutions that glorify artists should definitely consider how the artists act in their spare time. I understand separation of art and character, but I would rather not see a movie made by someone who is a piece of fudge just because it's a good movie. There are a lot of good movies out there to fill the void.
RottenAtom wrote:I like Mudbound, but I don't know how I feel about its Cinematography nod. I don't think any Netflix films should be allowed to win that award.

What?
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Postby RottenAtom on Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:13 pm

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RottenAtom wrote:I'm in the "Get Out is good but overrated and unworthy of these nominations especially Best Picture, Director, and Actor" category. Solid, clever flick but Best Picture? Come on... #OscarsSoProgressive #OscarsOvercompensating #AffirmativeAction (is that last one a bit much? Yeah, probably. But kind of seems that way... this is the flipside to #OscarsSoWhite)

So because one movie that revolved around a black protagonist gets some noms, it's now the flipside of OscarsSoWhite? Oof...


That's not what I meant. (I knew I should've stayed quiet instead of voicing my opinion on a polemic subject like this...) All I'm saying is that the flip side of so many people complaining that #OscarsSoWhite is that when people of color win, is it because they truly deserve it, or because the Academy has to elect enough people of color to not get criticized? I agree that #OscarsIsTooWhite and #OscarsIsTooHollywood and #HollywoodTooWhite, but I don't think people of color were getting snubbed and losing to less-worthy white people. I believe that the Oscars are so white because Hollywood is so white and the problem isn't that worthy performances/movies are getting snubbed, it's that there aren't enough good roles/films for people of color to begin with. That's what I meant by the flipside. Did Get Out get nominated because it deserved it? I don't think it deserved it (I'm probably in the minority) and I don't think it probably got nominated just because it has a few black actors and a black director, but I don't think it's a crazy thing to question with the Academy trying so hard to appeal to everybody. That's all I'm saying (I hope that makes sense.)


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RottenAtom wrote:I wish Peele's nom went to Villeneuve, Speilberg, or Sean Baker (all who are far more deserving, imo).

The Post was Speilberg on Auto-pilot and brought nothing unique or flavorful to a straight shot movie. Peele definitely deserved the nom.


I disagree. I prefer Spielberg's direction here. The cinematography was 'unique and flavorful.' The movie is extremely polished. I don't see what Peele did as a director that is worthy of a nom. (Enlighten me? Not trying to argue, just curious...)

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RottenAtom wrote:The Academy used to not give a damn about people's opinions of the noms/winners and due to the recent backlash (mostly from people who are not cinephiles) it feels like they're going with the popular (or the perceived progressive) choice too often instead of honoring the most deserving. Just give it a few years and one of these Disneyfied Star Wars movies will probably get nominated for Best Picture.


Well major institutions that glorify artists should definitely consider how the artists act in their spare time. I understand separation of art and character, but I would rather not see a movie made by someone who is a piece of fudge just because it's a good movie. There are a lot of good movies out there to fill the void.


I disagree. This isn't a citizenship award. They're judging the art; the film. How a person acts in their spare time should not factor in whatsoever.

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RottenAtom wrote:I like Mudbound, but I don't know how I feel about its Cinematography nod. I don't think any Netflix films should be allowed to win that award.

What?


This one is just me being silly (kind of). I watched Mudbound on Netflix and I liked it quite a bit. One thing that didn't stand out to me was the cinematography and as a person that is very visual, I usually notice solid camerawork. Perhaps I just missed it here, but maybe it has something to do with the quality of Netflix stream I receive in my area. It looks worse than a screener even, and it definitely doesn't compare to seeing a film on the big screen. All I'm saying is that it's kind of funny or ironic that a movie that most people will watch on a TV is nominated for best cinematography.
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Postby 35mmpaul on Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:36 pm

RottenAtom wrote:All I'm saying is that it's kind of funny or ironic that a movie that most people will watch on a TV is nominated for best cinematography.


well many watch dvd screener copies which annoys me to no end.

if i had my way they would not have screeners at all and just give academy members free passes to go see films in theaters.
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Postby 35mmpaul on Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:44 pm

RottenAtom wrote:Did Get Out get nominated because it deserved it? I don't think it deserved it (I'm probably in the minority) and I don't think it probably got nominated just because it has a few black actors and a black director, but I don't think it's a crazy thing to question with the Academy trying so hard to appeal to everybody. That's all I'm saying (I hope that makes sense.)


this is my thing. i only come back to it because you seem to keep saying it as if the Academy itself is pushing for this movie to get nominated to appeal to people in some way. But this film got its nominations because people voted for it. Not because the Academy wanted to appeal to people complaining about lack of diversity.
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Postby RottenAtom on Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:56 pm

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RottenAtom wrote:Did Get Out get nominated because it deserved it? I don't think it deserved it (I'm probably in the minority) and I don't think it probably got nominated just because it has a few black actors and a black director, but I don't think it's a crazy thing to question with the Academy trying so hard to appeal to everybody. That's all I'm saying (I hope that makes sense.)


this is my thing. i only come back to it because you seem to keep saying it as if the Academy itself is pushing for this movie to get nominated to appeal to people in some way. But this film got its nominations because people voted for it. Not because the Academy wanted to appeal to people complaining about lack of diversity.


There is extreme pressure on the Academy to not appear racist. They can't afford any more backlash and being an all-inclusive event makes it so that more people will tune in and more money is made in the future. I don't know who votes anymore (especially with all the changes) and I'm not saying that everybody who voted for Get Out did so for diversity, but as a person who feels the film is overrated, it does feel to me like the movie possibly benefited a little from people's outrage at the lack of diversity in the past. I may be off base (wouldn't be the first time.)
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Postby 35mmpaul on Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:59 pm

RottenAtom wrote: I may be off base (wouldn't be the first time.)


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Postby 35mmpaul on Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:06 pm

i dont think you are insane for thinking it may have gotten a bump due to that controversy. (that definitely didn't hurt moonlight last year)

i just think you maybe missing the forrest for the trees on this one a little. and seeming to chalk it up to wanting to nominate it because of its subject matter.

and i think it got nominated BECAUSE of its subject matter, and that it was executed well.

and overrated movies regardless of subject get nominated every.drymounting.year.

when you stop caring what gets nominated and what wins, and just realize that the movies existing is the win...it makes it easier to ignore the hoopla around