America: The Trump Era

Civics, civilly. Post lifetime is 6 months.

Postby bubbie on Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:48 am

fredo wrote:Of course you sanction the fudge out of someone who is systematically killing people in your country. It's the LEAST you can do.

I would add here (google translate):
"I would not want to comment on future sanctions, but I can say one thing: if something follows like a ban on the activities of banks or the use of a particular currency, this can be called quite directly, this is an announcement of an economic war. And for this war it will be necessary to react - by economic methods, by political methods, and, if necessary, by other methods. And our American friends must understand this," he said.

That's what Medvedev said today/yesterday.
User avatar
bubbie
Art Expert
 
Status: Active
Posts: 4502
Joined: Mon Sep 22, 2014 4:49 pm
Location: Canada

Postby gorkie on Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:56 am

bubbie wrote:I would add here (google translate):
You. Vill. Choke. On. Zee. Poyzin!!

That's what Medvedev said today/yesterday.
User avatar
gorkie
Art Freak
 
Status: Active
Posts: 11563
Joined: Fri Jun 04, 2010 6:28 pm
Location: Chicago, IL
It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. - Thoreau
Image
@gorkieartdogma on Instagram

Postby gorkie on Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:08 am

Kris Kobach Gives Fraud a New Meaning
The infamous voter-fraud obsessive is refusing to recuse himself from the recount of his own gubernatorial race.


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/08 ... g3NDkxNAS2

In the most ironic of twists, it’s now Kobach who’s attempting to take advantage of a loophole in America’s electoral system. On Tuesday night, the insurgent candidate, riding off the strength of a last-second Trump endorsement, clawed his way to a virtual tie in his primary challenge against sitting Republican governor Jeff Colyer. As of Wednesday, Kobach was ahead by almost 200 votes out of the roughly 311,000 ballots cast, a slim enough margin to call for a recount, a process overseen by—wait for it—the secretary of state’s office. In short order, however, Kobach issued a statement declaring that he would not recuse himself from the recount process, claiming that the recount was done on the county level and that his office had nothing to do with it. “The secretary of state’s office merely serves as a coordinating entity overseeing it all but not actually counting the votes,” he told the Kansas City Star.

Kobach’s decision was met with an outcry from election experts and political scientists, who unanimously pointed out the obvious: his refusal to recuse himself was all but guaranteed to undermine the public’s trust in the results. Even worse, no one can legally challenge the results, and while his challenger could request a recount, he would have to front the hypothetical cost—and Kobach could set the price. “He is the state’s chief election officer and there’s an inherent conflict of interest in that, but that’s the way the statute is written,” Rep. John Carmichael, a Wichita Democrat and an election lawyer, told the Star.
User avatar
gorkie
Art Freak
 
Status: Active
Posts: 11563
Joined: Fri Jun 04, 2010 6:28 pm
Location: Chicago, IL
It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. - Thoreau
Image
@gorkieartdogma on Instagram

Postby gorkie on Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:10 pm

After Being Destroyed, Trump's Walk of Fame Star Multiplies

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/after ... spartanntp
User avatar
gorkie
Art Freak
 
Status: Active
Posts: 11563
Joined: Fri Jun 04, 2010 6:28 pm
Location: Chicago, IL
It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. - Thoreau
Image
@gorkieartdogma on Instagram

Postby jjttdw on Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:25 pm

gorkie wrote:After Being Destroyed, Trump's Walk of Fame Star Multiplies

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/after ... spartanntp


Its like herpes.
User avatar
jjttdw
Art Expert
 
Status: Active
Posts: 4920
Joined: Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:45 pm
NEWPORTS69 wrote:ive kept journal for very long time and ranked public restrooms because i srs hate using them, was working on an app but im not very smart

Postby gorkie on Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:38 pm

Trump administration cuts staff at financial markets watchdog: source

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN1KT23O




The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.
User avatar
gorkie
Art Freak
 
Status: Active
Posts: 11563
Joined: Fri Jun 04, 2010 6:28 pm
Location: Chicago, IL
It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. - Thoreau
Image
@gorkieartdogma on Instagram

Postby sixstringer on Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:13 pm



luls
User avatar
sixstringer
Art Expert
 
Status: Active
Posts: 6550
Joined: Sun Aug 01, 2010 1:29 pm

Postby gorkie on Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:27 pm

Fox News - The land of Agent Orange's Oompa Loompas.

The US has been asking North Korea to scrap its nuclear weapons — but Pyongyang keeps saying no

https://www.businessinsider.com/north-k ... es-2018-8/
User avatar
gorkie
Art Freak
 
Status: Active
Posts: 11563
Joined: Fri Jun 04, 2010 6:28 pm
Location: Chicago, IL
It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. - Thoreau
Image
@gorkieartdogma on Instagram

Postby bubbie on Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:06 pm

gorkie wrote:
bubbie wrote:I would add here (google translate):
You. Vill. Choke. On. Zee. Poyzin!!

That's what Medvedev said today/yesterday.

:lol:
Maybe we will, maybe we will...

jjttdw wrote:Its like herpes.

sixstringer wrote:luls

:lol:
User avatar
bubbie
Art Expert
 
Status: Active
Posts: 4502
Joined: Mon Sep 22, 2014 4:49 pm
Location: Canada

Postby jjttdw on Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:44 pm

bubbie wrote:

Questions still stand:
What is Ukraine?
What is Soviets?
What is Russians?

P.S. There is also more to the history of Crimea than just annexation by Russia, twice :lol:


Russia controlled Crimea for 200 years before ceding it then taking it back. I don't have much of an issue with them taking it back. There, I said it.

As to your questions I will let you do the reading:

What is Ukraine? : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine
What is Soviets? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union
What is Russians? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia

To tie this together for you I will provide emphasis on a portion of the first paragraph concerning the Soviet Union.

The Soviet Union, officially the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR), was a socialist federation in Eurasia that existed from 1922 to 1991. Nominally a union of multiple national Soviet republics, its government and economy were highly centralized. The country was a one-party state, governed by the Communist Party with Moscow as its capital in its largest republic, the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (Russian SFSR). The Russian nation had constitutionally equal status among the many nations of the union, but exerted de facto dominance in various respects

What this means if that if the Russians didn't like people from one of the satallites, say the Ukraine, they were killed or sent to gulags. Many times they backfilled by Russians.

Here is more for you to read.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donbass

A couple things pulled out:

According to the Russian Imperial Census of 1897, ethnic Ukrainians comprised 52.4% of the population of region, whilst ethnic Russians comprised 28.7%. Ethnic Greeks, Germans, Jews and Tatars also had a significant presence in the Donbass, particularly in the district of Mariupol, where they comprised 36.7% of the population.

By the time of the Soviet Census of 1989, 45% of the population of the Donbass reported their ethnicity as Russian.

My point is this: balance of Russians in Donbass was influenced by the shitty things the Soviet Russians did. Now they have troops in the Ukraine "defending" them. If they don't like Ukrainian politics they can move their asses back to mother Russia.
User avatar
jjttdw
Art Expert
 
Status: Active
Posts: 4920
Joined: Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:45 pm
NEWPORTS69 wrote:ive kept journal for very long time and ranked public restrooms because i srs hate using them, was working on an app but im not very smart

Postby bubbie on Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:29 pm

Thanks for the reply, jj!

I will try to reply to the first part later when I have more time, but a few things on Donbass (from the same Wiki page):
The region now known as the Donbass was largely unpopulated until the second half of the 17th century, when Don Cossacks settled in the area.[8] The first town in the region was founded in 1676, called Solanoye (now Soledar), which was built for the profitable business of exploiting newly discovered rock-salt reserves. Known for being "Wild Fields" (Ukrainian: дике поле, dyke pole), the area that is now called the Donbass was largely under control of the Ukrainian Cossack Hetmanate and the Turkic Crimean Khanate until the mid-late 18th century, when the Russian Empire conquered the Hetmanate and annexed the Khanate.[9] It named the conquered territories "New Russia" (Russian: Новоро́ссия, Novorossiya). As the Industrial Revolution took hold across Europe, the vast coal resources of the region, discovered in 1721, began to be exploited in the mid-late 19th century.[10] It was at this point that the name "Donbass" came into use, derived from the term "Donets Coal Basin" (Ukrainian: Донецький вугільний басейн; Russian: Донецкий каменноугольный бассейн), referring the area along the river Donets where most of the coal reserves were found. The rise of the coal industry led to a population boom in the region, largely driven by Russian settlers
...
Despite this, Russians constituted the majority of the industrial work-force. Ukrainians dominated rural areas, but cities were often inhabited solely by Russians who had come seeking work in the region's heavy industries.[14] Those ethnic Ukrainians who did move to the cities for work were quickly assimilated into the Russian-speaking worker class.

So like I said, the history of Russians in Donbass (and other parts of eastern Ukraine) is a little different and fairly complex. They can't pack up and go home because it has been their home since before our countries even existed. Also, there are better sources and more interesting stuff out there than Wiki (I will try to link a few later).

And an interesting graphic from the same page:
Attachments
Untitled.jpg
Untitled.jpg (50.52 KiB) Viewed 174 times
User avatar
bubbie
Art Expert
 
Status: Active
Posts: 4502
Joined: Mon Sep 22, 2014 4:49 pm
Location: Canada

Postby jjttdw on Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:02 pm

So Soviet Russian actions had no effect on the ethnic population mix in Dombass and they should feel free to send troops in to Ukraine to create a conflict?
User avatar
jjttdw
Art Expert
 
Status: Active
Posts: 4920
Joined: Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:45 pm
NEWPORTS69 wrote:ive kept journal for very long time and ranked public restrooms because i srs hate using them, was working on an app but im not very smart

Postby gorkie on Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:23 pm

'Keep out!': China sent 6 warnings to a US Navy plane, but the US didn't back down

https://www.businessinsider.com/keep-ou ... sea-2018-8
User avatar
gorkie
Art Freak
 
Status: Active
Posts: 11563
Joined: Fri Jun 04, 2010 6:28 pm
Location: Chicago, IL
It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. - Thoreau
Image
@gorkieartdogma on Instagram

Postby fredo on Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:04 pm

jjttdw wrote:So Soviet Russian actions had no effect on the ethnic population mix in Dombass and they should feel free to send troops in to Ukraine to create a conflict?


The wiki post also contradicts a forever Russian presence in the area. Looks like late 1800s?

Either way, it's the same issue with Israel where a modern nation wants it both ways. You can't claim status as a country of laws and act tribe(s)-like/make historic claims on other countries simultaneously.
User avatar
fredo
Art God
 
Status: Active
Posts: 24607
Joined: Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:26 pm
Location: ENZEE
just a foil for me today, thanks

Postby jjttdw on Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:11 pm

fredo wrote:
jjttdw wrote:So Soviet Russian actions had no effect on the ethnic population mix in Dombass and they should feel free to send troops in to Ukraine to create a conflict?


The wiki post also contradicts a forever Russian presence in the area. Looks like late 1800s?

Either way, it's the same issue with Israel where a modern nation wants it both ways. You can't claim status as a country of laws and act tribe(s)-like/make historic claims on other countries simultaneously.


Exactly. If the Canadians decide to fudge on the American expats living in Montreal, I will not support military intervention.
User avatar
jjttdw
Art Expert
 
Status: Active
Posts: 4920
Joined: Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:45 pm
NEWPORTS69 wrote:ive kept journal for very long time and ranked public restrooms because i srs hate using them, was working on an app but im not very smart

PreviousNext

Return to Politics



Who is online

Users browsing this forum: bubbie and 8 guests