Obama Progress 08 Fairey

[alison03]

I just saw this on the front page of Yahoo.

[cadeallaw]

AP alleges copyright infringement of Obama image:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090204/ap_ ... ama_poster

I just spoke to another attorney about this and we both agree that this lawsuit is frivolous

[byc101]

AP alleges copyright infringement of Obama image:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090204/ap_ ... ama_poster

I just spoke to another attorney about this and we both agree that this lawsuit is frivolous

I'm not an attorney. Why is it frivolous? And are you both copyright attorneys?

[jjbehren]

AP alleges copyright infringement of Obama image:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090204/ap_ ... ama_poster

I just spoke to another attorney about this and we both agree that this lawsuit is frivolous

I'm not an attorney. Why is it frivolous? And are you both copyright attorneys?

I'm not a copyright attorney, but I took a few intellectual property classes in law school. I'm not sure this suit is necessarily frivolous, but I definitely don't think it's a winner. There are numerous defenses to the suit. I can't remember the exact legal name for the defense, but one is that the alleged copyright offender added or modified the original image in such a way so as to make it his/her own. Another, probably stronger, defense is the Fair Use Doctrine. There are four non-exclusive factors courts must look at when determining copyright violations. There are numerous appelate court cases that say which factors are to be given more weight. Those factors, logically, are the ones that take into account the financial effect on the origianl copyright holder, who the law is there to protect in the first place. Here, the copyright holder has not really been harmed at all. He wasn't going to go out and sell copies of this picture. Don't get me wrong, it's a good picture. But anyone who wanted it could have just gone and got it through Google (as Shep did). If anything, there is much more demand now for his original picture than there would have been had Shep not created this now iconic image. The photographer actually stands to make more money because of what Shep did.

My .02. I could go on but really don't feel like it. Thank god I'm not getting graded on this fudge anymore.

[byc101]

Thanks for an explanation. I don't know much about copyright laws other than there are more than I know of.

[Caballero]

What are people thinking on the long term valuation of the big and small versions of this one and why?

Both are selling within plus or minus a standard deviation or so of their 6 month average which means basically not much change in price in six months. Is this what they're worth, or is there some underlying trend I'm missing?

[jamel-d]

What are people thinking on the long term valuation of the big and small versions of this one and why?

Both are selling within plus or minus a standard deviation or so of their 6 month average which means basically not much change in price in six months. Is this what they're worth, or is there some underlying trend I'm missing?

With the economy still in freefall, there will be less and less big money to spend. Getting $1000(sm)-3500 now might not be a bad thing. Just my opinion.

[aahnutz]

What are people thinking on the long term valuation of the big and small versions of this one and why?

I think it will always be worth at least the original sale price - 6 weeks, 6 months, or 6 years from now. I'm keeping mine.

[jodeci78]

Cool photo:

2009 Inauguration Photo - SUPER HI-DEF

Zoom in ('double-click' an area) ....and watch it focus.
Then zoom some more... and wait for focus.

This picture was taken with a robotic camera and weighs in at 1,474 megapixel. (295 times the standard 5 megapixel camera)
It was a Canon that pulled together over 200 individual shots.

http://gigapan.org/viewGigapanFullscree ... 2b4b06233c

this picture is so awesome.

[jodeci78]

What are people thinking on the long term valuation of the big and small versions of this one and why?

Both are selling within plus or minus a standard deviation or so of their 6 month average which means basically not much change in price in six months. Is this what they're worth, or is there some underlying trend I'm missing?

With the economy still in freefall, there will be less and less big money to spend. Getting $1000(sm)-3500 now might not be a bad thing. Just my opinion.

I agree. Money now is worth more than possible money later on.

I think this print has reached over-exposure. The image is on tv, coffee mugs, t-shirts, mouse-pads, etc. There are websites that you can make your own image in the style of the progress/hope posters, etc. Its become a "fad". The image is just too out there.

Then there is the matter of Obama's popularity. Sure he's popular right now, but who knows what will happen a few years from now.

I'd take the money and run, especially in this economic climate.

[dangerboy]

to those who may not yet know of the kellum228 scandal, if you bought or traded for a progress paster for him, or splitthesky, or from anyone in the last 6 months, please look at it carefully. below you will find pics of why i think the one i got from him is a fake.

from the curious thread:

god i am so PISSED OFF at myself for noticing this fudge earlier. looking at it now with a more critical eye, especially with a known legit campaign hope laying next to it, it's so easy to see that's it's a fake. here's some closeups. last two are the same little area at the top of the forehead from progress and hope. notice how sharp the ends of those little lines are on the hope...

[my2hands]

really good job on the pics, makes the fake as clear as day

[Caballero]

really good job on the pics, makes the fake as clear as day

Is it that the shadow lines on the fake are "fuzzy" and on the real they are crisp?

[dangerboy]

that's a big part, yes. pic number 2 is telling also, imho. those vertical lines seem odd and don't appear on my legit hope. the shadow lines are fuzzy and rounded off on the fake, plus there's little globs of dark blue that shouldn't be there. the bottom two pictures are the ones that make them easy to distinguish...

[shades]

can mods remove all the kellum progress pasters? (including the two bootleg pasters sold on ebay on 2/9 by splithesky)